Episode transcript
Parag Dixit
Hi, hi, mudit, hi, Julius, how are you good? How are you very good? Man, very good.
Mudit
Good. I'm good, yes. How things? Things are very, very interesting. Times the market, in terms of how the property and finance market have changed, it seems that the last year was different. This year seems to be a lot different from how it was last year.
Parag Dixit
So, yeah, lots, lots different, right? Yeah, and I can't even imagine how our last year went and how, you know, last year was, was like weathers, you know, summer and winter and spring, and a completely different with each other. Yes, I think that's how the last year went. And it went pretty quick. So much happened last and and we post covid. I think the one of my fastest years which went by without me noticing, was 25 or something. Things moved pretty quickly in the last year.
Julius
Monitor cycles within cycles that is, that is a bit different. And then it was bit strategic. It was Yeah,
Parag Dixit
and and people, there were so many things which have changed. I I think if I, if I look at the mood which was there in 25 with all of us, we we had a lot of varying changes, but but before we go ahead, let me just briefly talk about what we are going to talk today, what we are going to go through. We'll just have general after 25 we will discuss about what we are going to go state by state. What are the various factors which are going to influence 2026 and how the property market for 2026 looks like? What are the factors which are going to impact it? How those factors are going to impact various states in their stages? And obviously, this one podcast is going to be followed by our state of investment podcast series, which will, we'll talk about each state in depth, about what's going to happen there, what's, what are the factors, regional and the main cities and all that. But right now, we will have a very general view of what's going to happen in 26 but before we do that, I think we what we touched upon at the start 25 you know, 25 was so interesting. I think the first half of 25 was all exuberance, you know, all young and bursting with energy. You know, there's lot of rate cuts are going to come in, okay? Everything is going to suddenly fall in place, and we are going to be all fine, right, yeah, there was a lot
Mudit
of confidence, which was there from a from an investment point of view. The mood was good. Everybody was expecting, and it happened as well, right? So that the rates have been high, so the rate cuts are gonna impact everybody's financials positively. So the mood was an upswing, and that's how the entire first half of the year was. But yeah, towards the end, it was a very different story that how the rate suddenly within, within the matter of couple of weeks, the mood from the rate cuts went on to Okay. The rates are not going to get cut. They'll probably remain stable, or they can rise. And that's that started happening. So it was a very, very mixed kind of year that ways, yeah, yeah, true,
Parag Dixit
yes, right. So by the, by the by the middle of the year, we were all okay, we may not have any more rate cards. We've got three, so not much will happen, but by the end of it, oh my God, we are talking of rate rises, right?
Julius
Rate rises, yeah, I still remember when last year, January, the amount of calls we were receiving because of the positive news, yes, the rates are going to go down pretty high. Then there was a good confidence. And then property prices were also moderate, and the way it had happened. And then we had different cycles. It was bit
Parag Dixit
different, absolutely, you know, we had investors looking at creating portfolios. We had first home buyers who were looking forward to getting to their house. You know that rate higher rates were behind them, and you could look forward to, okay, I can move out of my rented place and get into my first home. And government schemes had got pre pawn because they wanted first home buyers, not super pin and buy some stuff. Maybe, I think it was too early, right? Household, the property prices rising, and that contributed a lot to the inflation and brought us to a situation where at the end of the year, we were more talking of rate rises rather than of anything else. And that's that's been, that's been a bit of a thing which happened there. But I think overall, I think overall it the market grew at a significant rate, that that was a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know, because that's what's created this bit now. But it did grow up quite, quite a lot.
Julius
Yeah. So I could see that till first half of the last year, it was a moderate growth because of the good news, okay, interest rates are going to go down and all the stuff. But when they have announced the first time buying grant, I could see the increase in the property prices was quite significant. Yeah, in dollar value, they will be very close to two to $300,000 in few markets. Wow, and that was a big impact on the property prices.
Parag Dixit
That's true. That's true that the jump in the property prices, which has happened some rightly so, some states which are following the 2024 and they were continuing with this. Wrong growth. Some states had bounced back from, from, from the depth they were in, like Victoria, WA continued, South Australia continued. NSW, besides Sydney, continue. But a lot of stuff happened in in all of these states, and that made us think through, okay, we are looking at a good, good thing. But in the end, we finished at a pretty mild rate on what's what's happened, and what what was there.
Mudit
And I think, I think that's where continuing from there, the outlook for 2026 I think it becomes important to understand that what are the factors which are now going to impact when we are going into 26 we have just started on not a very good note, RBA, dampening. All the good news there, the rates have interest rates have already started increasing. So there are multiple things happening now which are going to have a 2026 looks quite different, very different from how
Parag Dixit
2025 us? Yeah, definitely. I think inflation will be a big thing. Big play which is going to come in. I think everybody now is glued on to the TV at 230 on the day where RBA is going to announce, okay, what's going to be happening on the rate cut or the rate rise? What might I should say that? But also, not only that, I think keenly, everyone looks at what's the inflation figure, which is going to come in this year, that's going to be a big one. And because of inflation figure, how the interest rate movements are going to happen, that's going to be another pretty big one which is going to be there. I think, one more factor, which is not so spoken about, but I'm very sure, will come to the forefront this year is going to be land tax, and that's going to be spoken about a lot in this year, because that's increasing the cost for investors in particular, yes, and it's something where, because of thresholds now either being lowered or being polished or being frozen. It's impacting. Every year I hear someone giving me a call and saying, I got a land tax bill of 30 grand. What do I do with that? And and then you just you don't know what to do with so that's going to be a big factor, which is going to influence this year as well, and then obviously the big one, the expected changes to the capital gains tax. All right, I think that's a that's going to be, that's going to be a nasty one, but a lot of discussions, I'm very sure is going to happen in the next few months, about it, till June, something happens, some some bit in the media, some bit, actually in the treasury, some bit in the thing, we will see how it moves forward and what happens to that one. Yeah, and
Julius
then property prices have gained significantly, but not the yields and all of these factors, rising interest rates, land exchanges, they are impacting more towards the cash
Parag Dixit
flow of the property Absolutely, they are going to impact the investors a lot. And and investors have to be aware of what they are going to do. But let's, let's get, let's get a bit deeper into all of these things, you know, right? So What? What? What would you say if I look at inflation? Okay, now, inflation has been rising consistently for the last few months, month on month, it has been rising, and that's been, that's been a quite a bit of a, not a great news, which everyone wanted to hear. And for last four months, five months, I think whatever economists have thought that inflation is going to be, it has been more than that, yes, and that's, that's the worrisome part there is, there's something called as a trimmed mean, which the RBA looks at, and that's also increasing. And what that has brought to us is, if we have got a rate rise in February. This there's another inflation jump, which has happened in the mid month, mid Feb, inflation news, so that's impacting and there are even people talking that March may also get us a rate rise. If March we don't get a rate rise May, is very strong possibility of a rate rise. We don't know by the time we reach May, how it's going to pan up. But that's another thing which, which looks pretty this thing. And I've also heard some more economists talking of one more rate rise in this whole calendar year. So that's going to be three rate rises. And we are back to December 24 where the RBA rate was 4.35% or something. And that was, that was pretty, pretty high. So, and if I, if I look at it in the in the last 12 months, that's what's happened, right? A lot of bitters in
Mudit
the last 12 months, CPI has the consumer price index has gone up by 3.8% and housing, recreation, these have been the biggest contribution. And housing has increased by 6.8% which is, which is the bulk of where people who own a mortgage, a lot of their monthly income, part of their monthly income, is going there, so that increasing by 6.8% so housing is putting a very, very significant pressure on the core inflation itself, and house prices, like we said that last year have in a lot of places, have gone up significantly high. So that's a lot of
Julius
pressure, because last year, I think we are going back to what we had last year, with the similar interest rate. But the difference between the property prices, between last 2025 and 26 is in between 20 to 30% so according to those yields, those properties are still such. Renewable now, in a case, if suppose the interest rates are going back again, what we had in 2025 versus the amount of property prices we are on, it is going to be very tough to manage, because yields are going to be significantly dropped for the investors. Also, because of this highest interest rate, there is lot of other costs have been increased, like your insurance cost has increased. Property rates are increasing significant. Significantly in multiple areas because councils are not able to afford to keep up the places. So in Townsville, I could see their rates are increasing again. So that means all the costs related to the properties are increasing, which will have a severe impact on the property maintenance cost.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, you true. You're right. All of these costs are increasing on the on the property so and some properties are also increasing in value in itself, and that's contributing to the inflation. But we should not forget there is a large, big element of government subsidies, which is also contributed to a jump in the inflation. And that government subsidies is the most talked about bit right now, that if there was that government subsidies were managed a bit better, we could have been, not been in this situation more than housing, but, but that's that's the way it is. Governments will always work on how it is beneficial to the most people, and how it really impacts most people, and how it how it should be, and their job is to do welfare. But I think there's a time which should come. We'll say that, okay, the welfare also has to be measured, not not reckless, I suppose. Yeah, but yeah, what that is brought upon to us is the large interest rate movement which has happened. And like you rightly say, we are looking to maybe go back to the December 24 scenario where we may touch 4.35% Yeah, and that means variable rates, if, and again. See last last time where, when we had entered into a rate rise scenario, we had a lot of people on fixed rates, yes. And a lot of people were saved from the high interest rate scenario. By that time they were coming out of the fixed rates, the variable rates had started coming down. The unfortunate guys who had not fixed for four years and all those kind of terms. They were, they were, they were kind of but people who were not, they didn't really feel the impact of the high rates this time, most of the fixed rates have gone. People had not fixed any rates, and I think we were at historic low in the fixed rates versus variable rate scenario with people. And then now suddenly, everyone is exposed.
Mudit
Suddenly and suddenly, the variable rates have already started going up. The most of the banks have the day RBA announced, most of the big lenders and every all the banks passed on the rates right. Rate rise to people. Instantly, variable rates have started going up. Fixed rates, interestingly, which were which I think saw a low in the last 12 months? If I see October, November period, there was a brief period when the fixed rates had gone to a low of slightly below 5% 4.6 4.8 4.7 Yeah, but And very few people fixed during that period. It was a very brief window, and within no time, suddenly, now, the fixed rates have gone. A one year fixed rate is close to 6% two year fixed rate is in the similar range suddenly, so from early fives or high fours, suddenly up to close to 6% that's a significant jump within the last last three, four months itself in yen, you're right.
Parag Dixit
See when you see a one year fixed rate and a two year fixed rate being similar. It clearly points out to the fact that most of the banks are expecting that we are going to have a flat 2027 and which means that if you have two or three rate rises in 26 calendar year, then 27 is going to be there like the way we had our 24 I suppose, 2024 was flat, completely flat. We didn't have the rate movements at all. There were no up, no down. And December was, I suppose, the first time December. 24 was the first time where we were talking of rate cuts. But after that, this 27 looks like pretty much similar that whatever we had. The best case scenario is nothing rises. We just kind of are, are flat at a higher rate of interest, and that's going to, again, impact the investors a lot in terms of what they do and how they are going to work on this, how they're going to get into the investment cycle, or what they are going to do with their existing properties, which they are holding now. They're going to play around with it, considering, like you said, costs rising, and one of the biggest cost is land tax. Taxes. Yeah, and land tax is going to be a big one this year. Land tax is going to be an important one this year, because if you see, like NSW, they've frozen their land tax threshold, and this year will be higher land tax for the same property if you're holding it doesn't matter, even if you bought a new one or not, the same property is going to give you a higher land tax bill. So is Victoria, so is Tasi, so is a city. All these states where it is like this, we are going to have a higher Thresh, higher land tax bill to investors. Similarly in Queensland, similarly in Western Australia, we are property price. Prices have suddenly jumped up. People would not have seen the these kind of land tax coming into them, but property prices have jumped, which is nice to see when you're wanting to see your valuation, but it's not nice to see when you see that, oh, my property land has gone up and I'm going to be okay.
Julius
It has lot of impact on the land value. So in WA previously, there was no land tax because the land value is so low now, the property market have jumped significantly, and there a lot of investors who owns more than five, six properties. So in that case, yes, most of the investors are getting the land tax business. Similarly, absolutely, Melbourne is on 50,000 threshold, Tasmania, Euro land tax from day one. So yes, Land tax is the biggest component with all of this interest rate rise, all the other inflation related parameters, your council rates are rising, plus the land tax, it's going to be tough.
Mudit
And yeah, absolutely. Because the moment land tax goes up, your cost of holding the property goes up. And if your cost of holding going goes up, then you are under pressure to increase the rents as well. Right? So, right. Most people who want to hold the property for longer, they will try and increase the rents. And again, that's a again, increases the inflation, right? So it has a direct impact on a lot of people who are
Parag Dixit
renting the property, correct? And and I think, I think when we talk about states, we definitely must be covering it. But if you look at how rents are faring, they are contributing 30, 40% of persons income are going towards rent. It's already that high. So if Land tax is going to impact, and going to take the rent up further, which it's likely going to be, because investors cannot absorb the cost beyond the point it's going to start impacting. And then then people will have to, as an investor, I would have to either choose the state where I invest wisely, or I will have to see what, how do I really hold on to that property, and how do I really make sense of the investment, which I have done, but, but that's going to be, that's, that's going to be a tough and a critical one. But land Dixit part
Mudit
today this because suddenly you're everybody when they're buying an investment property, you start projecting your financial for next few years. And these are factors that you wouldn't have built in into the or how your financials will look like. Suddenly, a 30k bill or a 40k or 50k Bill can do a huge difference to how you're looking at your financials if the cash flow gets
Parag Dixit
impacted massively, absolutely right? And they've been traditional structures, which people have used to buy. You know, husband, wife would have done different structures to buy different shares, holding to buy. All that has gone for a different calculation, because now you find that you are having a land tax bill which is coming through, is going to be tough one. And I think the worst news, if it comes through for investors in this year would be, if the cup coming changes to the capital gains tax millions, that's going to be a big, big, big impact. That's a big news which is going to come in because the impact on an investor is going to be massive in this year. And I'm just going by the grapevine, which is coming through in the need media. So we're talking of bringing the discount down to 33% from 50% today. And it's not just a 17% drop, it's a substantial increase on the tax if you, if you make money on a particular property, and it's going to really, really impact, you see, and I've seen people who've been making kind of calculations on what to do, and how do I do that? But more importantly, whenever I when I'm talking to investors who are looking at and hearing this news, one thing which they are more and more certain of is that, okay, I maybe will hold the property longer, because I will maybe increase the rent and I will hold it because I can, I will be able to afford to hold it. But what it will do is it will bring the inventory down further. And if that happens, it's going to be back to square
Mudit
one, which is already a problem in a lot of places, inventory is already very low, which is putting the pressure on the supply demand gap. And that has been a reason why property prices have gone up in a lot of places. So investors, they holding longer. That puts a lot more pressure in those areas.
Julius
Yeah, at this stage, we are sitting at lowest in multiple states. And then if you look at the forecasting engine as well, the forecast is still 2035 to 36 most of the states will not have, or gonna create, divide more land, which is going to be in a mainstream so the land is not coming up. Construction cost has been risen. They're not availability of enough trades. Plus, if we getting a more land tax, more capital gains kind of tax, and then people are going to hold the properties, it is resulting in inventory dropping then. Plus, there is more pressure on the rentals. Because, yes, there is good amount of immigration, lot of people coming into country. They need houses. Not enough houses for the rental so it is like all the impacts are coming together. And it's like the big impact on the property market in the positive side, absolutely right. So speaking,
Parag Dixit
speaking of the calculation of land, of capital gains tax, I was reading somewhere that if you just on 100k profit, if you made 100k profit on. Particular property. If you as an investor, you've sold that one. And if you are going to get whatever, net of all your cost, 100k is the cost. And even if you were at a 30% tax bracket, your expected capital gains tax on just the 100k profit will increase by about four or 1000 bucks. And if you're looking at about under 37% tax bracket, if someone's there, we are looking at a cost increase of about six, six and a half 1000. And that grows up if it's 44 5% which is your highest tax bracket, if you're sitting there, then you're looking at about seven, seven and a half $1,000 of tax increase per $100,000 and that's massive, yeah, that's not small. That's a lot of money which comes through. And if you, that means, if you, if you've done well, and if you invested well, and if you understood well, you've read well, and you've got a half a million dollar of profit, and God forbid, if you're at a 50% tax bracket, kind of a scenario, obviously you're earning, well, that's good for you, but then you're talking of good 30, 40,000 Yeah, of $40,000 of which is, which is a lot of tax to pay, and that's going to be a massive impact on people when they are going to do that. So that's a big that's going to be a big one if it comes through about to people about what, what will happen to them once, if the capital gains tax bid comes through to us to work on?
Julius
Yeah, yeah.
Mudit
So I think absolutely right. I think these factors, inflation, interest rate, capital gains tax, land tax, all these are the large, broad policy and economic indicators which are going to impact broadly. I think the other thing we need, we should talk about is that, how each state or the capital cities, how the market looks like, how it was, and what is how it how does it look like in the in the coming year? These factors how they are going to impact locally, the markets, because different states are in different positions when it comes to supply, demand, the ratio and how the pipeline of supply is, how the demand has been going up, the difference between houses units and how they have grown in the last year versus what looks in the in the coming few months.
Parag Dixit
Absolutely right. No, I think, I think the impact on state wise is a good way of taking it and trying to understand, on a macro, on a larger, on a broader level of what it's going to be. But maybe I would suggest that we do it. We do the main capital cities separately, and to at least the Sydney and Aya Brisbane, which are the leaders. And then we will try and discuss the other states one by one. But let's say Sydney. So we are all sitting here. So what do you what? I think, I think the last year, houses grew pretty well, about six
Julius
six to 7% go versus units are around two to two and half percent. Yeah, so Sydney is historically very low on supply. The biggest issue in Sydney is even look at the affordability sections. Buying and renting. Affordability always have an issue. So for the buying, most of the owner occupiers or investors are paying around 40 to 45% of the income because property prices are so high, and then renting affordability is very close to around 35 to 36% so I was I was looking in a market, and I was studying few markets towards the Western Sydney as well as towards the parameter region. What I could see is basically rentals are rising. There is enough pressure on rentals because they are limited vacancies. But the properties which are up to 1.5 million have a good demand because there is good affordability between those ranges. But the property prices between 1.5 to 2 million are moving slowly, and then above 2 million is out of the affordability. That means renting in Sydney is much cheaper than buying a property
Parag Dixit
in Sydney. Yeah, that's a good factor to put in. I think rent wise, I contribute about 35% of my salary, of my or my income towards towards the rate, whereas, if I'm on if I'm purchasing a property Sydney says I'm contributing about 45% of my income towards the mortgage to mortgage repayments, that's a big thing. So rent is easier, and that's why rental returns but property prices are so high, rental returns on units are pretty low. And that's, that's, I think, contributing to the fact that more than 2 million kind of property segments is bit frozen right now. It's not, it's not moving anywhere. It's a bit stagnant there. It's tough for people to afford to buy, everyone to be afford to buy there. So one and a half mil, I think that's bread and butter here. That's like, everyone wants to be there, yeah. And not above that.
Mudit
And that's going to be, yeah. In fact, last year, post September, October, last year, the properties which were especially in the range of one to one half mill they saw a jump because of the first home buyer scheme in Sydney itself. Yeah, because the threshold was increased from 900k to $1.5 million yeah. So the movement was there. But going forward, like we're saying this year, it it's given the affordability Sydney's house prices, property prices, and for. More and more, especially like investors, investing in Sydney has become very difficult to a lot of investors. That's why I'm looking at outside Sydney, because the rental yields becomes a huge challenge here, and that's what most likely in 26 if the interest rate pressures continues, which is likely. So it's going to be a tough market.
Julius
Well, I agree on that. So when we look at the below 1.5 millions market. I was looking at data points and the suburbs like St Mary's, st clays towards that belt. From last three years, property prices were rising silently, and they've grown to 40% so whatever is below 1.5 million had a good jump, even though the rentals was around 4% and now they have dropped to around 3.8% but in that segment, from 900,000 till 1.4 million, we still had a strong rental demand. But now what we could see is these prices are touching 1.5 million because that price get have a lot of demand, and that had created more pressure, true,
Parag Dixit
and that's that pressure is coming to to the front right now. And I think 2026 is a year where Sydney not that it will be crashing. It will it will be frozen. It just will be frozen on time. You know, sellers, they they will not want to reduce their expectation. They'll be there where they want to. These buyers cannot stretch any further because interest rates are high and I can't borrow more. It's going to be a bit flattish flat in terms of purchasing of properties, pretty flattish kind of a market this year. You know, there's a ceiling there. People just can't go beyond it. And even if you can, you need you can't stop living. You need to you need to eat. You need to enjoy. You need to have some bites as well. I think rate cuts Sydney would be the most impacted by that. If rate cuts start coming in, that will give a meaningful upside to Sydney. But before rate cards come in, it's going to be a it's going to be tough, and especially the upper part of it, three, 4 million and plus, kind of segment that will have a lot of movement, not, not, not normal movement. Maybe I have a much more abnormal movement in the price range.
Julius
But rental will have good outlook, because lot of people, those who couldn't buy or they would like to buy, can't buy because of the interest rates or the affordability or the borrowing capacity shortages, and then there'll be more rental demand. So at this stage, vacancies are low, not lot of properties are coming into market because builders not afford to build, or the property prices are so expensive they are not able to sell so very low vacancies for the properties, and because of that rental demand, we could see there will be a significant amount of the rental rises in Sydney. Yeah, that's right.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, that's right. In fact, units are giving more positive increases in Sydney, and more and more units are coming into the market. I think Bill to rent is also going to be a good factor in Sydney, when the way it comes through, because build to rent, will still give a good four, four and a half percent rental yields to to the to the conglomerates which are going to manufacture that. And that's going to be an important one.
Mudit
I think, I think that's right. And if I were to look at the two separate segments, one is houses, and one is units. Houses are becoming more and more unaffordable. Units are relatively affordable. But the problem is, in Sydney, we have not seen the unit prices grow up, go up, right? So the units have not gone up, and a lot of people do not want to buy units because of that reason. So house is unaffordable. Units not going up in value. And that is why, I think a lot of people in Sydney, especially who are into, let's say, first time buyers. For them, it has become like, Okay, this is not good. This is not something I can afford. Then should I continue on rent vesting? And that's the model probably in Sydney that will become more and more
Parag Dixit
popular, yeah. What do you do? You know, houses are unaffordable. Units are not rising, not rising. Renting is tight, and it's pretty tight, and people still can't get the rental properties where they want. So it's a it's a bit of a tricky situation in Sydney, correct?
Julius
And there'll be another reason for rent units to not to grow because of these supply issue. So lot of projects, which was told during covid, most of that supply will come into the mainstream. So between next two to three years, there will be inventory increment of around three to four months that will go up to around nine to 10 months of inventory in Sydney on the United market. So unit front, we are getting more inventory. That's supply of units are pretty high. That's why it is not giving that pressure. It is not creating enough demand to property prices to go up, even though you still have a rental demand. So unit market will be little slow in Sydney.
Parag Dixit
That's right. Virat, I think recent NSW is different. Recent LSW has been a bit different from there. Houses have risen faster than even Sydney has because obviously they have a different price point. They deal in about, I think 840 is all. It's the million price. And they have been better. Units have also fared better in the regional and, oh my, I think more than regional. I think rest of NSW, including Gold Coast and including South Coast, and including Newcastle and beyond and interiors. Get resurrection all that, yeah. So not Gold Coast. So all of this bit, all of these whole thing, has formed in a much different way, much, much better units have formed better things along the coast have done pretty nice. Coastal LGAs are doing really, really well in, in Sydney, in, sorry, in the other part of NSW.
Julius
Yeah, that's right. So when we look at the regional NSW perspective, every council in regional NSW performed at least 15 to 20% in few segment, not in every segment. It depends on the segmentation of the pricing also. So for an example, if you go towards double, double is rising too fast because of multiple economical projects. There are few billion dollar projects. Albury, amazing. It grew now. Albury, surrounding has lot of pressure. Regions were growing because of the two reasons. Number one is basically extremely low. Supply yields were very close to 5% five to 5.5% and there is enough net internal migration from your main cities towards the regional town center, like when you look at the Central Coast. Central coast as a statistical area for residue councils, wayang and scotsford towards the Tuga Lake, we could see the property prices have moved in between. In from last year in dollar value around 150 to $200,000 we were looking at the properties in Hamlin terrace towards waranga, basically. So over there, the property prices have jumped significantly in that market. Basically, there is lot of owner occupied demand also. Plus Central Coast is easily commutable from to Sydney, because you have a good train network. Other than that, when you look at the other regional significant urban areas like wakabaga or Tamworth region, we could see a significant amount of property price movement because of the fact that lower supply, higher demand, low inventory, good yields, good economical outlook, absolutely.
Parag Dixit
And and all of these areas, and NSW, I think, has been one of the best in terms of vacancy rates. Yes, vacancy rates have traditionally been lower in the last year, and they've always been good. It's, it's a tight rental demand situation, which is out there, and which is what has made it, made it better for investors, and that's why investors have wanted to invest there. And but obviously it is now reaching a point where we it's becoming a bit tighter for expensive for the local, local economies to be there. But I think that if the income doesn't follow, they'll have a cap in this year. But 2026 I think 2026 you know, the other part of NSW is more of like, you know, it's the escape from Sydney. This the high cost Sydney, and the bustling Sydney, you kind of escape from there. It's still it's still working out. It's still working for people. But I think the gap is narrowing down. The discount which people were having on the prices is narrowing down. Quite marries what's happening in the Sydney area and the similarly, South Coast, and quite marries that some parts are even more expensive than Sydney, and I think the purchase outlook is going to be similar. I think this is going to be a good four to 6% price increase, which will still happen in 26 in the in besides Sydney, kind of a scenario in NSW, right? Yeah, the places
Julius
which are commutable to Sydney still follow one and a half million dollars mark. And that's the pressure they're gonna witness, because of the owner occupied demand as well, because a lot of moving out of Sydney and moving to that side, when we go towards further towards the hunter, or towards the Albury Council, or towards the Albury surrounding a double property, prices are still well below 650 K Yeah, and the yields are still around four and a half to 5% so there's still a bit margin to go up. So affordability will be the driving factor in those regions, absolutely right?
Parag Dixit
And that's what's causing the momentum coming in those regions. That's what's causing the momentum along the coast as well. So there is an under supply, which is going to keep on, keeping having the purchase demand moving across in all these areas. And that's going to keep on driving the purchase in the 2000 in the whole Yeah,
Mudit
I think that that was 2026, rest of NSW seems more promising in terms of growth and given the supply constraints and affordability still in a lot of areas. But of course, it depends on the pocket. It is not a rule that you can apply for the remaining NSW, but there will be pockets which are expected to do decently well in this, in this
Parag Dixit
coming year, correct? And even rental demands are going to be pretty tight this year, you know, yeah, houses will still continue to be 4% plus, you know, units will still have four and a half odd percent plus or something, which is going with there. So it's going to be still, obviously, at these kind of rates, they it may be, still be a bit cash flow negative, but it's still one of the best rentals you can get in NSW and NSW, by by nature of it commands people with better incomes and better income ranges. So so it's affordable for people, and that's why the rest of NSW is going to be a strong focus market in the year 26 where I think investor demand and. Own occupied demand going to be equally balanced and will still impact people to to make it as a choice area where they would want to live in and where they even outgoings
Julius
are less in NSW, so you don't have more council rates, you don't have more insurance. Insurance is moderate plus. When you look at the unit market in NSW, it has a different perspective, because when you go towards little regional towards the regional towards the rest of the NSW, there is a significant difference between the housing prices and the unit market. So when you look at the segmentation in the pricing between the housing and the units, if it is more than 50 to 60% then you could witness that pressure, and NSW still command that. That's why unit will have lot of
Parag Dixit
pressure this year. Yeah, absolutely right, absolutely right. And that's it's good for the other rest of NSW, which is, I think I'm pretty confident that that's going to be a big focus for investors in this coming year. Or again, another big, big, big focus for investors, I think will be Perth in WA and we're going to the other course, right? Completely other course, that's going to be a huge one. I think 25 was massive for Perth and WA in particular. But Perth, obviously, that's the largest one. So huge. 15% plus in the houses, 17% plus with the units, in terms of the price growth, which is
Mudit
phenomenal, which I think in the last five years, WA market has grown by almost 90% in terms of property values. And today, Perth is the average house price. Median House Price is touching almost a million dollars there. Now. Yeah, absolutely, that is, that is for, for for a lot. For a decade, there was a movement. And in the last four years, I've seen huge growth. So last year has been, has been a continuation of that growth, which we have been seeing in Perth,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right? I think 90% growth in the last five years. That's what the statistics I was reading at some point of time, a few days ago, about about WA and that's a huge growth. And you're talking of close to 20% return annually for the last five years, obviously, some part of it in chunks, and some part of it slower, but it's a phenomenal increase. I think, the best market overall in the last five years, and it's been very good 2025. Has been one of the best years for WA as well, and even in renting as well, right? Rental Affordability has been phenomenal. Rental growth has been phenomenal. Regional WA, rents have grown by more than 10% unit yields still hold strong at more than 5% which is the best for one of the capital cities. Right? 5% in Perth is a huge rent.
Mudit
I think the balance of capital growth and cash flow the rental yield Perth has been one of the best markets so far, and 25 would continue to do so, yeah.
Parag Dixit
And it also, despite all this, the rental supply is pretty low, very low. It's a very constrained market. You still have those pictures of 40 people standing in the queue to get a place to rent, but still get a good, decent place to rent. That's why I think 1% odd is the vacancy rate there, and which is which is so low in Perth. And this is so phenomenal. Now yields are still around 4.8
Julius
to 5.2% at this price guide. First half of 2025 bit, okay. Second of two of 2025 when the investor realized that, yes, that's only market where you could get a very good capital growth, because even though the percentage growth was bit okay, but still, the dollar value was around $600,000 you could afford properties in in suburb, like probably for an example, which is 15 kilometer to city with 800 square meter lot for $600,000 and the rental was around five and a half percent. And that's the time when there are lot of investors come back to Perth again, and when we could see a significant amount of pressure on the property prices, even though, historically, the Perth was running low on inventory, extremely low supply, very high demand. Then the after the first time buying scheme, all the suburbs which are owner occupiers, preferred suburb, like, when you go towards the swan council or towards inner CBD, like suburb like well Lord or birthram or canning well Piera water, Harrisdale, till mid last year, they were sitting at very close to 750, to 800 ish like Harrisdale and PR waters, they are they're cruising around 1.1 million now. And when you look at the rentals, they're crossing around $1,000 a week. Yeah. So extremely low supply, high demand, and then extremely high owner occupied demand have made lot of impact on the property prices in WA, and it is still continuing.
Parag Dixit
The more said about Perth, the lesser it is. But I think still, despite what we say, Perth still is, I think where Sydney was in 2015 that's that's where the prices sit. So I don't know if it marries and reaches where Sydney is today. What's going to happen to the Perth market, but that's where it is. That's a large gap from Sydney, what it is and and the the demand and the under supply is a massive story for Perth, and we still are going to see. See that under supply is going to continue in 2026 if you're looking at purchasing a property, it's a it's a strong capital gain market for 26 as well, with with, I think across the state, demand going to be pretty much equal, pretty much responsive to how it is going to be there rate cuts. The more the rate cuts, the better that economy is going to become, and better that value of properties and holding the property is going to become. If there was a sqm search research which we were reading, obviously, now we have rate hikes coming. But they said that if rate hikes would not have come in 26 it could have grown by eight to 12% and the rate hikes come, obviously, the scenario. Now we're still looking at a three to 5% increase in the property prices in this year, despite whatever expensive it becomes in terms of holding cost. That's a strong statement for a stage it's continuing for last two, three years.
Julius
Yeah, because incomes are much better in Perth. So we could see when we look at affordability in buying and renting Perth, still sitting at less than 30 years of affordability. And then Rental Affordability is below around 25 26% plus the growth in rentals are extremely higher. So that means, because of the pressure on the property market, due to the lower vacancies, rentals are rising. For investors, that's only market is still offers you more than 4.5% yield.
Parag Dixit
Yeah. And I think 26 is going to continue with a good yield. So I think close to 5% units will. Units are going extremely well there as well. And more than 5% rental yield comes from there, which, which makes if you're looking at a apartment, if you getting an apartment or a townhouse or something, which makes you to be in a situation where you are still pretty close to positive despite the rate rises, so you're not going to be too far off. I mean, with an expected rental growth of about six to 8% in this year, you're looking at a strong market, which is going Yeah, because difference between
Julius
the pricing for houses and units, still more than 50, 60% Yeah. And units are offering good rental returns. Plus Perth is very much under supply in units as well. Yeah, yeah. And that's the main reason why unit market is so much in demand.
Parag Dixit
100% I think, I think, say, is going to be the star of 2026 once again, if WA is going to be strong. It's going to be a star this year. Huge supply and demand gap will continue, along with a huge rental income growth in WA. And that's, that's where, that's what's going to maybe attract the investors a lot in the in this state this year, for how it's going to work out for for them, right? Yeah, WA is, I think it's going to be a darling for most of the investors for the year, which continues from there, yeah. And I think if we, if we, if we come back towards the eastern coast, I think Brisbane has been similar in performance for this year, right? Yeah. I think in the
Mudit
story has been for the Brisbane has been quite different. Perth, it has been the supply demand, and Brisbane, the Olympic story still continues, right? And continue. It is, it is. Sometimes it comes as a surprise that How long will it continue? But the state has gone up by 14% growth in houses itself and roughly and units have grown at a faster pace, close to 17% so that has been a phenomenal growth, capital growth, given it has been rising since last five years, six years continuously. Now, post covid, the kind of growth Brisbane has seen, it has been phenomenal.
Julius
Yeah? And when we look at that kind of growth in Brisbane, that is also in a million dollar market, yeah, yes, that is also in million dollar market. Two main reason the Olympic story. Second thing is, even Brisbane is doesn't have more supply, and there's a lot of investors demand. WA has more owner occupied demand. So if you look at the owner to ratios in the entire WA is basically still below 70 sorry, still above 70% in Brisbane, the renters are very close to 48% in few councils. So Brisbane was more preferred by an investors where a lot of investors from the Eastern State or Western State are investing in the Brisbane with the story of the Olympic similarly, that Brisbane has is very close to Gold Coast. So there is lot of demand which has been created in Gold Coast as well as the Sunshine Coast. And that impacts lot on to the Brisbane prices also. So when we have seen the price has risen in Brisbane in multiple councils, like we were studying a council towards the Logan or Ipswich or the Morton Bay. Yes, they have very good infrastructure demand, but property prices have grown up significantly because they were in a range of in between seven and to 800 reached up to 1.1 million. But with that, there is a penalty of higher portion of the investors as well. Also, what I could see is basically the incomes in that areas are not extremely higher. So that is going towards little dangerous territory. That is, that is going little towards the dangerous territory. So when you look at the entire 2026 scenario for the Brisbane, what I could see is those councils which are. Very, very low on affordability. And in socio economy, like the surrounding switch or Logan or towards the extreme north of modern bay or there, the buying affordability will be sitting very close to 50, around 5055, years. In few cases, renting affordability is extremely higher, and investors proportion is very high. Plus the socio economic ranking is significantly decreased, and that is going to be impactful on a longer time. But there are a lot of, I can see a lot of suburb jumping happening. So if I want to invest in Brisbane at this stage, then probably the best place to getting in towards towards the innocity, where the property prices are still manageable.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, it is, it is. See, though, you're right, in 25 Brisbane did cross the median price of a million dollars. It's become expensive there, but still, there is a lot of demand, which is there, which is going to continue in 26 I think rent wise as well. In 25 it was pretty, you know, vacancy rates, I think they were the historic low, less than 1% Yeah, I don't, I don't really remember which state has had such a low rental vacancy, and it's practically zero rental vacancy out there. You know, it's, I think, one of the best of all the capital cities we have in Australia, some of the phenomenal rents, house rents at 6% plus, unit rents, I think they were rental yields, four 6% plus, strong yields in the units and strong yields in houses there as well. And you're right. Brisbane, I think, is going to be the market where this going to continue to be strong. But the way houses have moved, the way houses is there. It's, I think, no longer a value city. It's become more of a growing city with an affordable risk of or affordability risk, which is going to come through. But still, that's also a typical market, one of the most unique markets, where unit prices are growing faster than housing, and that's driving the demand I think Olympics is impacting is a skewness towards unit where you do not want to have an asset with you which is going to impact you. You don't want to mow the lawn, you don't want to do all that stuff. So units are and quality units are being built there. Unit, I don't think the Brisbane has seen the issue Sydney has seen in terms of quality of apartments being made. So the demand for apartments is very, very strong. And the inventory, there's a huge deficit in the inventory supply which is coming in there, which is taking the property prices up and making it still go stronger in the in the Brisbane City in itself, right? Rentals are a bit different. So rentals are renters are units again, though, they are up over outperform the houses in Brisbane. And it's again, because of the Olympic demand that the rents are still being stronger, still massive requirement of properties which are coming in in Brisbane, and people are wanting to be there. And which is why, I think in the in the end, in the 2026 the whole year, we will find that one of the most important things will be units will continue to march over up our houses, and will continue to have demands and still have great rental yields, which will be there in the market for for Brisbane, for the year, for year 26 in particular. Now how people are going to take it up?
Julius
Yep, yeah. So unit prices are still going because they are not making a lot of units. That is number one. So always there is a short supply. Yeah. Second thing is the quality of units. Plus, towards the Brisbane CBD, there is enough demand from the for the for the units as well. Also unit and houses has still there is a big gap which has to be filled. So good rental demand, not more supply towards the units. And there's a good demand within the investors, as well as the owner occupiers also preferring to units now. So that's the main reason why the units are growing in Sydney. It will continue to grow in 2026 in
Parag Dixit
Brisbane. Yeah, correct.
Mudit
Yeah. I was saying, yeah. And if we move beyond Brisbane, if we move to the entire region, rest of Queensland, the growth has been good there as well. I mean, the probably prices across unit and houses have grown. Gone up by more than 12% in the last year, which is if you look at five year growth, it has been close to 80% growth, which is very similar, not very far off, from how Brisbane grew. So the impact has been across multiple places, not only just localized to Brisbane. So it's a growing market. The rest of Queensland has
Parag Dixit
grown up. It is, it is. It has had a substantial increase. I think Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast does skew the data of rest of Queensland, but still a good 12% increase in the houses, a good 13% plus 12, 13% increase in the union's value has been strong. It's a strong market. You know, it's been stretched. And Gold Coast, or non Gold Coast, every market has been seeing a phenomenal growth of 510, let's see, I think, 15 to 20% in every year, annualized per year, for the last four, five years. Which is strong, which is pretty strong, right?
Julius
Yeah. The. Places like Townsville, Rockhampton, Townsville, any most of the suburb in Townsville, the worst suburbs touching around 700 Now, the good suburbs are touching Million Dollar. Then look at Rockhampton, if you go towards the grace may or which is outside of the Rockhampton still touching $7,000 the good suburb in Rockhampton touching $900,000 we had seen a significant amount of growth in Bundaberg. Then we we had seen a good growth in Mackay Gladstone. So that's because of the fact that over there, there is still the inventory loss. There is no inventory, but the yield was much better. And suddenly, when in Townsville there was, there was lot of good economical indicators, like they were building a ports, then they have a big defense infrastructure. They are a lot of housing requirements for the Defense personnel, but they do not have more houses. And then cost of construction in Brisbane, sorry, surrounding of regional Queensland is extremely expensive. Land is bit cheaper to build the houses. They spend at least very close to 2800 to $3,500 per meter, and then the duration to build the houses is more than two years. And that is that has created high oxygen, like they don't have more supply towards the property, but they have more demand, more population growth, good yields, and that's factored in a good capital growth across 2025
Parag Dixit
Yeah, I think tourism and obviously the economy and the people who are staying there, all that has been a great combination for the Gold Coast market, and it is having a ripple effect on the other part of the insulin as well. And that's why the rental needs are strong, pretty strong in terms of rental needs and vacancies. I think everywhere, they are pretty, pretty tight, very tight. And it's not there. And I think regional Queensland, I think if I, if I were to classify it, regional Queensland is where I think Brisbane was about three or four years ago. The strong growth, livable yields, people, the renters are also fine with it, the the investors are also fine with it. But I think, I think it's also catching up a bit. It's similar to what we spoke about as regional or the other part of NSW, besides Germany, even in the other part of Queensland, we are seeing the same thing. It's like kind of catching up to Brisbane. Just being three years away is not too far. You had, you have a Perth 10 years away from Sydney, yeah, but you have the other part of Queensland, three or four years away from Brisbane, which is pretty, pretty close by, right? But still, I think one of the best outlooks we have for this year in terms of 26 the purchase price, if you're looking at purchasing a property, it's going to be a good eight, 10% kind of a rental, kind of a property price increase, which we can look at in Gold Coast, which is strong, with pretty strong outlook in there, and rest of that, besides Gold Coast and Brisbane, obviously, we will still have about six, 8% growth, which will come from there. The Olympics is really, really driving the demand. It's really pushing better. There is a good corridors of growth which are being created across Queensland in various places, and which is taking the momentum for purchases to in its own steer, and it's making people move, and it's going to continue to give a strong focus in this year for why people would love to maybe search for good pockets of other parts of Queensland, for value and for the growth which is going to come there. Rental demands are going to be strong. I think the rental yields are still four and a half 5% in a lot of areas, which is strong. And if you are looking at a at a good rental growth which is going to come in in the year 26 as well, that's that in all, using the property price growth and the rental growth is going to be a good package in itself for investors who want to come in. If we are able to identify the right pockets of growth, it's not going to be as universal as wa where every kind of area will increase, but Queensland will have a lot more pockets where growth will be there too. It will be more strategic.
Julius
So for an example, if I focus towards the Townsville as the entire significant urban area, then there are suburbs within the Townsville which are going to do better, where there is more occupied demand, where the housing quality is better, where the socioeconomy is better, because affordability is already there, rental demand is already there, plus there is enough owner occupied demand, plus they have got good population growth. The similar story is going to be repeated for the Camden region, the Keynes is has gone up significantly. Bunderberg, all the suburbs where we could see a good owner occupied demand, plus good social economy, plus good buying affordability with a good incomes. That's the places where we could see a significant amount of impact, because what we have seen is the places which are outskirt of the main CBD areas, or the suburbs which are low in social economy, where the property prices have gone up significantly. Lot of people are selling those properties and moving towards the preferred owner occupied suburbs. Yeah. Yeah, true. So in that section, also, we could see there is lot of suburb jumping happening.
Parag Dixit
Absolutely no, that's true. That's true. We've spoken about all the, all the other major towns. I think it's time we should also talk about Adelaide and South Australian market. I think they have. It has been strong in itself as well. Right? Athlete has done well. I think it's, it's just woken up, you know, I think the best turnaround story for the year 25 has been for Adelaide, you know, just woken up from a 15 year old slumber or something. Yeah, it still had houses growing by about nine ish percent. Apartments growing by about nine, nine and a half percent. Median House prices are just a shade away from a million dollars, I suppose. Yes, unit prices are about 650 k plus there so strong market, you know, it's pretty strong market, which are with a phenomenal purchase clearance rate, affordability are kind of going away. You know, you can still find houses, but there are older ones. Adelaide still has older property issue, but the affordability is still an advantage. Then a lot of packet, but it's going away. I think 25 had taken it away to a bit. Vacancies are good. Vacancy rates are good in Adelaide. I think people are the rental growth is fine. The houses still have about 4% kind of a rental yield. Apartments have a good rental yield as well. Right? Is this correct?
Julius
Yeah. So at this stage, Adelaide is more of strategic investment. So in Adelaide, when we Adelaide can either grow in north or south, because one side you have hills, another side you have ocean. So South is already expensive, they have touched more than a million dollar in few places, but North you still have a demand, yeah, but in a in Adelaide, the biggest issue is the quality of houses. Yeah, the houses are pretty old, but it come up with very good land sizes. And then, since they have lot of older houses, there is such a good demand for the new houses, because owner occupies are still interested to buy new houses. So in Adelaide, the investment will be more strategic. So if you want to hold the land and then if you're going to do the subdivision projects, or you can hold the land and then sell it to the developers later, or you can build the houses and sell, if you have that kind of strategies, and that's the best place to invest, or for the normal investor, the yields are still below 4%
Parag Dixit
Absolutely, absolutely, I think till 25 Adelaide, as I was saying, has been the biggest rerating story of Australia, one of the biggest ones, at least in my memory, which is there again. It's going to be important whether it sustains itself, or it just fizzles out, or maybe kind of goes stagnant again. But it's been, it's been a good story. What do you think on the purchase outlook? How does it look like for Adelaide in this this year? You know,
Mudit
26 Go ahead. You're absolutely right, because the kind of growth which Adelaide has seen, it's been close to 80% growth in the last five years, which is phenomenal. Yeah, the turnaround has been quite again, similar to Perth, right? Didn't grow for a very long time, and suddenly, in 3434, years itself, prices of houses properties have almost kind of doubled. So the problem is that once you have such a steep growth in a short period of time, suddenly the affordability becomes a question mark. And that's what Adelaide is kind of seeing now. So it's it doesn't look like that. It will be the most promising market in the year going forward. But, yeah, it will
Parag Dixit
be, see there is, there's a, there's a stock on market problem with Adelaide, because the stock of my own market is so low, I think the momentum is still going to take it there. But it's lose it may start losing steam, like you rightly said, maybe a later part of 26 it will start losing steam because, because the it's kind of run the property price, course, and it will still be, it will still be good. There's a good late, late market
Mudit
search which has been there. No, it is there. But also because, for an investor, let's say so I, as an investor, you also looking at the rentals, right? So rentals are also now under pressure there. They're not the rental yields which were two years ago. Three years ago, Adelaide was giving much better rental yield. Suddenly, that has gone down because of increase in the property prices. So as an investor, again, it's a, it's a, it's a different market, not not the way it has been a different market this year.
Julius
That's true, and then this this year, it will be different. It's strategic, like, as I said before, there is affordability crisis, but there is a supply shortage also. So supply inventory is still below three months, and then it's shrinking. So if I can see there is a lot of demand from developers or flippers, or those who are getting into the subdivision kind of potential. So if you're that kind of investor, there is huge demand in idlit. But if you are a normal moment and investor, where you need a good rental income with a good tenant quality, because now most of the properties which are affordable towards the Playford Council, where the social economy is also bit dicey. So so it's not kind of a normal situation,
Unknown Speaker
why for every investor, not for every
Julius
investor, but this is for where pro investors would like to do this. Subdivision project can book good profit,
Parag Dixit
yeah, interest. But again, see one more thing which we have to understand. Rental demand is softening in Adelaide. It's not growing to that level. So by the so there will be early stage subdivision players and flipping players who may benefit, but you need to be really sure of the market. I think by the time 2026 will come to an end, we will see kind of a different phase of Adelaide, but it's still running a bit stronger in terms of I think property prices will still remain stronger, but rentals will be a bit there will be a bit of a softening in rentals, which will come in right?
Julius
Yeah. Yields are dropping significantly because property prices have jumped from in last one year, I could see there is more than 20% growth. So last year, I could buy properties in Elizabeth for around probably late five to early six. Now those similar properties are going at very close to mid sevens, but the rentals have not been into that pace. So basically, the delta between your price, and then the rentals extremely higher, and then if the yields are dropping significantly, then it's very tough for investor to manage. Yes, so definitely the property prices will remain strong for this year. But if rentals are not rising, unless the interest rate will go down, it will be a difficult market.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, true, true. But I think the most interesting city or the state to look at, and this year, will be Melbourne, right? That's the elephant in the room, right? That's That's true. That's true. I think the 24 year, 25 for Melbourne, was good. It still had houses growing, right? 5% 6% rate. And houses apartments have been a sad story. But, yeah, houses have been good. Melbourne is is everyone wants it to grow. But for some reason,
Mudit
Julius, you, you've spoken a lot about the supply, supply thing in Melbourne. How was 25 in terms of supply, and what did you see 25
Julius
so there was bit of campaign for Melbourne, where I could see there was bit of interest from investors. And then towards the western and northern part of the Melbourne, they have lot of supply. It's not like the supply coming up in Sydney, other states, where you have 100 lots and 10,000 people are in the queue. In Melbourne. It's otherwise like you have 10,000 lots leasing, and then you just have to select what you select what you want and you'll get it. So that kind of supplier was releasing. In between, there are a lot of investors who are jumping into the market because property prices are lower, and then yields, and then inventory was okay. And suddenly, by mid of, by August, of 2025 you could see the inventory was bit okay. And from 2000 August, 2025 onwards, I could see the inventory have jumped significantly. So that has impacted on the vacancies as well, because there is more supply in the market, because there was little bit of momentum in the market, where a lot of people were started selling, investors were getting into market, and then suddenly it has impacted on the property vacancies. So Melbourne is historically always higher on vacancies. So the vacancies are very close to 1.82% in certain areas jump to 4%
Parag Dixit
Yeah, true. So, you know, you picked up the right point at the start. What you we said, was so true. See, you you have when you talk of a WA, or you talk of a Queensland, or you talk of NSW, large parts South Australia. We are talking of in large parts. You always talk of the geography being an issue, and that's why the land supply is less. Of houses are less, and there's a supply constraint and a supply structural issue. Melbourne doesn't have that. It has land for acres and acres, and it's getting constructed and constructed, which is what has led to, I think the land values in the last five years have not gone beyond 15, not grown by 15% or more, or something like that, yeah, which is the lowest? Which is so low, which
Mudit
is absolutely right? I think so. It's not a problem that there's no demand. A lot of migration has happened into Melbourne, like, let's say Sydney, or lot of migration has happened into Melbourne. The problem is that the supply has been over, shooting the demand, and that is the pressure, or downward pressure, on property prices. So people who are looking to buy to live, yeah, good news for them, that they can, they can buy for cheaper, which which is not possible in a lot of other capital cities. But then, as an investor,
Parag Dixit
it doesn't it's an owner occupier as well. It's the capital value has not grown. So your capital appreciation has not been great, but, and this is why I think the supply being on the other side, the supply problem being on the other side that you have a larger supply, much longer, much more in supply there is, there is rental vacancy, which is also higher than other states. When we talk of rental vacancies in some state being practically zero, like Queensland or Brisbane, and we talk of vacancies of 2% plus in Melbourne, that's a very different end of it. And units have been the worst hit there in Victoria, in Melbourne, especially in the CBD, they've the prices have really, really taken a hit. And. We've, we've heard some horror stories about that in 25 but I think, I think, but still, apartments are keeping to get built, build to rent is going big, strong in Melbourne, despite all what is happening in terms of prices. And contrary to what everybody thinks, but I think that's, that's the way Melbourne has been in 25 but 26 I think 26 I think, is Melbourne, though it has been the one of the important cities where buyers gained something some round in 25 it's going to be more of a contrarian buy this year, right against the floor. You know, you're going, people are going to make a case saying that, okay, we've had an Adelaide which slept for 15 years. We had a Melbourne sorry Perth we slept for 15 years. So Melbourne has been sleeping for last five years. It's time, maybe I should invest. And there is hope where it should do, but lot of other factors to come in. But still, I think the biggest contrarian case exists in Melbourne market, where you can bet against the tide and say, maybe you win. You know that's that's where the market sits there. It's all on hope.
Julius
It's lot of things on hope. But still, all the other markets are growing faster, and they are sitting at the place where lot of investors couldn't afford in general, there are still places where you can still buy properties under 550 and that could be the reason the investors might focus, okay, yes, the vacancies are higher. My yields are much worse. But still, yes, I could afford a property in Melbourne, and that could be one of the reason then lot of people will start looking for a Melbourne Other than that, supply is still higher. And then, I don't think so. When we look at the demand and supply of fundamentals, if the area has a limited supply, you control a demand, and then property prices can go up in Melbourne. You can't control supply, yeah, and that amount of demand you can create or investigate, if the supply is so strong that it can still come up, then it will be a moderate growth. It won't be like it is going to
Mudit
surge like w then there is, most likely it will be a slow growth over a period of time. It's not that like other markets, certain growth kind of thing, Melbourne always
Julius
grow in a pocket. So last year, also, when we see Melbourne, it didn't grew everywhere. So like, there are good pockets in Melbourne which grew by around 15, 20% as well, and the few pockets which declined. So it's going to be similar
Parag Dixit
story, yeah, but it's, it's a one of the one of the markets, which I think will be highly, highly dependent on rate cuts, and it's going to be leveraged to rate cuts a bit. And most speculative, in fact, it's going to be there. Rental demands are still okay. It's not bad. It's never been the best in rental yields. And it's not going to be the best in rental yields. It's going to be moderate, moderate, and it's going to grow moderate, moderate there as well. But I think it will still have it will I think Melbourne is being, is being, and is in the minds, it's, it's in a projection that, you know, there's no alternatives. Maybe the other alternatives are too expensive. Might as well buy in a capital city rather than buying regional. So let me buy in Melbourne. So that may be the one which drives the demand there. But otherwise it otherwise, the Melbourne market is pretty much slow right now. Yeah, it
Julius
is slow, and it is going to be remain so for some time, probably in 2026 it might catch up momentum by next year, this year, probably in pockets, we could see little bit of growth. Other than that, Melbourne market will be little sluggish.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, we should also talk about the two smaller markets, Hobart and and, you know, Darwin. But let's, let's start from Hobart. What do you think on Hobart, when you think that's going to grow, or maybe what's happened in 25 there Hobart
Mudit
amongst other markets. It's a very small market. And so although, of course, when we compare markets, we talk about percentage growth. Hobart grew moderately, six to 7% not a bad growth, not a phenomenal growth. But the challenge with Hobart market has been that it's, it's so small that suddenly one small, small areas can have a direct, large impact there.
Parag Dixit
Yeah. So this still has. It still has. I think a good median price is the house prices are still strong. You have to whatever be this small it is. But it still grew by, I think the houses grew by good six, six and a half percent in the in the last 25 and that's decent growth. Apartments, similar, right? Very similar in apartments and houses. Very, very similar kind of a growth. And it's been, it's been okay. It still has about seven ish percent, 6.97 ish percent growth in rentals unit department had also come in. So it is, it's good, it's still nice. But though it's, it's, I think, in 22 was where they reached their peak in prices, where, you know, the covid, post covid migration had been the strongest, and that was, I think, the best years of Hobart. It dropped pretty much from there. It's still not caught up. It's still a bit behind, but I think it's increasing its selective markets are getting a bit better. Selective markets are going horrible there.
Julius
It's cyclic. Hobart is little cyclic. So yes, it grew in a few places, but Hobart has a two different classes. So like, there is a there is a area in Hobart. Which is extremely good, where you could see good economy, good socioeconomic good people, good occupation. And then when you cross a certain suburb in Hobart, then the socioeconomy is very poor. Tenant quality is bad. And then you still have lot of rental proportion. Plus that's the only place where the population growth is not at the pace, yeah. So at this stage, there is good investors demand, and because of that, it's growing, because vacancies are on less than 1% yields are much stronger, very close to 405% in few cases, in places. But it could be cyclic. It's like it will gain some momentum, and after that, it might go slow. It's a small
Parag Dixit
market, right? It's a small market, and I think it's, it's gone from being that covid Darling, kind of a kind of a state and kind of a location Hobart on losses. Two are the biggest ones. You know, they've been the the choice at that point of time. It's still, they're still solid, you know, they're still affordable. Don't take me wrong, but, but they, they're not momentum players. They kind of go up and down in lot picks a smaller market. It's more often the I think, in a purchase outlook. If I look at 26 it's more of in a consolidation phase, rather than a growth growth phase. It's kind of gathering itself after the drop, which was an anomaly in the whole state. And I think it's going to be in income, people's income like you rightly said, there is a varying income between the areas and, yeah, that's going to be the main driver. So once, unless the incomes rise, there is going to be a bit of a dampener in the price, price rise, which is going to happen there.
Julius
Yeah, it's investor sensitive market. So, so basically, till they they are good returns, it will go up. But we can't expect, like, there will be a big owner occupier view after that, and then property prices gonna jump around 20, 30% again, like for the states, even though, in that similar price guide, you still have a better option across the other state or other places in the country. So when Hobart is sitting at in between seven to seven, 750,000 in that segment, you still have a better option in NSW, you still have better option in Queensland, you still have better option in regional Victoria. So it would be one of the choice like, I have 10 properties and I want one more in Tasmania. That's why I'll go there. Yeah, for a reason, but it would say I have to buy there for
Parag Dixit
the capital growth. It's the first choice, and not going to be. It's going to still have its waves of ups and downs. Small market driven predominantly by investors. And yes, it's going to be, it's going to be driven like that. And I think that's how it is going to it is. But on the on the other side, I think just going north, straight north, Darwin, I think Darwin was a surprise in 25 right? A big surprise. 20% growth across apartments or houses, phenomenal. I don't know where it came
Julius
from, right? Yeah. It's because yields were much better till last year, when the market started going up. The property prices were in early 400 versus and then yields were around 78% Yeah. And at that pace, and that supply is always lower, so it has got lot of investors attention, and by then, by then, lot of investors started buying the properties over there. So whatever we had seen in that market, it's because of the investors. It not because of the owner occupier, because vacancies are also rising. Yeah, if there is enough consumption of properties by owner occupiers, then yes, vacancies would have been tight. Now investors are buying more properties and putting those properties in the market for the rental vacancies a little bit higher, and that is and also the renter proportion is getting upper and upper and up. And that's not a great sign. So yes, it has got a good attention, but it's, it's going into the bit dangerous territory,
Parag Dixit
I know, but you know, the biggest attraction for any investor, what it can be that's the only, only state which is a true cash flow positive, even in the net rents, it's cash flow positive after taking out all the expenses, not even in the gross one. And that's a strong statement, which is why you finding that the yields of houses are, I think even today, it will be close to 6% apartments are more than 6% seven, 8% in rental needs, true, true, positive cash flow states. And that's what I think it's there, thin, thin market, pretty thin market, like you rightly said, But, and that's what's causing in by the end of 25 it started becoming a bit bit stronger. It is still, I think it's still the, what do you call the positively geared answer to Sydney's title? You know, negative
Mudit
part, and marry it with the kind of growth, capital growth it has seen. I think that's why 2025 has been and I'm not too sure if too many people predicted that. It was a bit of a surprise, because it because of the rental yields, I think, given the high, high interest rates and the borrowing capacity being tied there, and people who have been looking at options where they can manage the property, sustain it for longer, suddenly there was a bit of rush in Darwin last year. It is, it is.
Parag Dixit
It's like we say, it's a thin market. It's a risky market. I think 26 outlook, if I would. Look at it, people will still try and find value when they find that, okay, I'm stuck everywhere. Where do I invest and I want something cash flow positive, and you don't research it, well, then you can just follow the herd and follow the media and reach there. But it's a investment segment driven market. It's purely investment driven market. You know, gains can just go away like that. And then it can follow the Hobart of post pandemic era, where it suddenly drops out. Because though it is, it is going to still have rentals, which are going to be cash flow positive. But it is, it is, it's, it's a it's a small base, and it looks very nice in percentage, but in absolute amount, it can be a pretty risky game this year. For me,
Julius
it's like, it's very thin market where still there is a demand, but it is reached into the median prices, where you still have availability of these properties in such stronger market. Yeah. So if it's not sitting at $400,000 versus you are an 8% yield now, yeah, those who had been there on that probably they might exit and invest into the better market, because they have gained those who are entering now, they always face the investors exit risk, something that could go either anywhere. Yeah, absolutely right.
Mudit
I think that the challenge with such markets happen is always like, if there's no net high increase in demand, the intrinsic demand, which is people either migrating there, or the demand for owner occupier property, if it is that isn't that, that is not there, you're always at a risk of investor flight, investor flight. It can be it can happen overnight. And that's the risk which such a market will always propose
Parag Dixit
Darwin, for sure, because, especially because of the volumes, when the volumes are not so much, and when you are so dependent on one class, and investor class is a fleeting class, and we've seen that investors travel in the waves. You know, the wave goes to WA, to South Australia, to Queensland, to this, this, and it's reached Darwin, and suddenly it can just fly away. Once it flies away, you don't have an intrinsic owner occupied demand to hold you at that point of time that's going to be dangerous there. Yeah.
Mudit
So, so the person who's, who's the last person who's holding the property, that's where it gets stuck then, and then, that's the risk you carry exit. Exit from that
Parag Dixit
market is very important whenever you make a strategy. And if in 26 anyone makes a strategy of investing there, they should very well know on day zero how they're going to exit out of it, and when are they going to exit out of it? It's going to be a but it's not a bad market, but it's going to be a tough one. So the brave one will win. But yeah, how many can be the brave ones? Is that is what time will tell about there. But yeah, but I think, I think one of the we've discussed about various locations and states and about them. But the big, big question with the inflation and the rate rises and the rental yields is going to be the biggest one is going to be the borrowing capacity and the impacts of borrowing capacity on all of these states. Because when we are looking at when you're saying, okay, W is going to be the Darling, and regional queens, Queensland is going to be the Darling, and NSW is going to be the Darling. And the other ones, besides the Hobarts and Darwins and maybe even Melbourne, the other ones are going to be moderate and growing there. What do I do? I have there is going to be a huge impact of interest rate and rental yields are going to start going down, though they are stronger, but if the rates go up, my actual rental yields are going to go down. That will be a big impact, right? That will be a big impact.
Mudit
So, absolutely right. Interest rates direct impact, one is that your repayments are higher. Second is your borrowing capacity is lower. That's and that's what we will see if the interest rate goes up again. And this is what we saw a few years ago, when the rates are rising, right? And although we were talking about Darwin just now, that Darwin is, is an investors and if you don't have intrinsic, intrinsic demand, but places like Darwin benefit in such scenarios because, because, when I as an investor, I am impacted by by the borrowing capacity, where I have limited funds available, plus, but Plus, my cash flow is negative and I want to sustain A property. First question is, if I buy a property today, and the inflation is high and my repayments are high, can I sustain the property for longer? Right? If I can't sustain them, I can't buy so markets like this, where the rental yields are on the higher side, either either positive, positive, if not positive, but close to zero, neutrally geared or slightly negative. It becomes an easy choice. And places like Sydney, it becomes very, very difficult, especially in these kind of climates,
Parag Dixit
very tough. Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, maybe even Adelaide, to an extent which will will kind of have a painful 20s, the borrowing capacities get impacted. And obviously the three stars which we just stayed with, they will definitely benefit out of it. They will sustain through but you're right. So if I were an investor, and if I'm seeing that, I'm getting squeezed from all the ends Darwin, Darwin, that is so that's where I'm going.
Mudit
And at the same time, we will see that, and we have been seeing that whenever the interest rates go up, then, because the borrowing capacity is getting tighter than the. Big banks, big lenders, they become tighter. So people start going to smaller lenders, which are specialists, which are more lenient on borrowing capacity, but then the interest rates are a bit higher, so that squeezes further. And that's why the the need or or the want of a positively geared property increases more. So rental yields start driving the market more than the capital growth.
Julius
Yes, yeah, that's right, because, especially this year, demand and supply will have impact. But I think borrowing capacity and the rental wheels will have more impact.
Parag Dixit
Boring capacity is definitely able to, not only to investors, but to first, to buyers as well. Yes, will have an impact. And I think whenever, like we saw two years ago, or maybe one and a half years ago, people will start flocking to non bank lenders as well for a higher borrowing capacity, for for getting more which further increases their cost of loan, because the rates are typically higher. But there will be, it will that there will be that release from borrowing capacity, which can come in for some period of time, but that's going to be a constrained activity for this year, for most of the people, whether it's investor or first home buyers in this in the year which is going to in the year 26 right?
Julius
Yeah, that's right. And then that scheme has a limitation as well, because most of the states are also passing right for NSW or sorry, Sydney is 1.5 million per i believe it's 1 million. And then property prices are crossing beyond that price Correct?
Parag Dixit
That's where, that's why, I think the within the first home buyer segments, there is still that uptick in the property prices and a stronger demand, but beyond those levels. And that's, that's the, one of the most debatable thing which is happening in all in the media. You know, by giving more and more first home buyer schemes, the you have an instant price growth, which happens in that segment. But that really,
Speaker 1
there's a benefit that really benefit, yeah, correct, yeah, it
Parag Dixit
more of penalizes you, rather than giving you a benefit of growth which is coming in that area. But yeah, a lot of, lot of stuff which is, which is different from 25 which is happening in borrowing capacity, when we're talking of that, I think 2025 was sustained by a unlikely hero of trust lending. You know, trust in company lending, which is not there anymore in 26 I think that hero is going away, that that savior is going away. Trust lending. People like whether, I should say utilized or misutilized, but a lot of that was there, and that's, that's, that's close. It's got tightened across all the segments, and that will that's slowing down of lending in the trust and the company segments is going to be there. It's, it's now for more only for sophisticated lenders. But earlier, I think eight out of 10 investors were talking of buying under a truck. Should I buy under a trust? And yeah, I want to preserve my borrowing capacity. I think that word of preserve my borrowing
Mudit
capacity was like, I don't know. I think it was, it was it was like, we discussed this a lot of time, that it was not a question of whether it will happen or not. It was always a question of, when will it happen? And 25 end it happened. Most banks have pulled out of it. Most bank banks have constrained it. Now banks are saying we will not even give a loan, or if you're looking at this structure, so that is gone, definitely. And when we look at numbers, and because we talk to people on a daily basis about their financial so I think this, this was a much needed thing from a purely from an long term affordability of somebody who's investing into this. There was structural
Parag Dixit
issues which are coming in there. I could see where people will come to me and say, Parag, I want to take a loan. And I've got two trusts already, three trusts already. I want to create more trust in this. And I would say, Wait, how are you going to make the repayment? But they just want to buy. And they were, everyone was with this opinion, in that rates are going to go down, so it's going to become, anyways, affordable. So let me gather as many properties as I can. You know, you can just, you do, just gather as much as you can, you can, you can, maybe you buy the whole town or something. But that's, that's what was the objective, which people were going very good that it's close, and I think that that darling of investors is gone in 26 and that's that's going to be an impact. I think that's going to be a slowing down impact on what's
Julius
going to happen. It became otherwise 2025 interest rates were going down, even the property prices were little lower. Yields were around 5% so the cost to the trust was not much higher from your outer pocket. How the property prices have gone significantly interest rates is going up, yields are dropping. And then amount of money, which you have to put it to the trust, is much higher. So if suppose, if you're five trust, and if every trust is around two to two to $3,000 negative, that means amount of pressure on the investor is significantly higher. Yeah. So, so this is going to be
Parag Dixit
impact a lot. This will impact a lot. Yeah, true, you're true. It will
Mudit
impact a lot. I think one is this will, this is gone. But on the opposite, I think there is SMSF lending, which is, yeah, which is high chances, and it is likely to pick up because, because the moment borrowing capacity gets. Writer, your capacity to buy a property under your name, as in your name, goes down. But in SMSF, because it has no impact on your personal borrowing, that option is still available. So I think SMSF lending is and we've been seeing it. It has been last few years, it has gone up significantly, and this year high chances it has continued to it will continue to
Parag Dixit
go up. Yeah, that's true. You picked up the right thing. I think we had seen this impact in 24 and obviously it carried on to 25 it was kind of moderating down, but with the rates going up, I think it's going to re come up. It's going to surge again, where people will want to invest through their SMSF, people will want to set up an SMSF. And I think there will be a good uptick on the loans, which were when people would want to set up an SMSF to do property investment. Obviously, they will take their advice and they would do what, what is right for them. But I think that kind of a property investment tool is going to be there again. It will it's going to be important on how people invest, because rental yields are going to be different from 2024 25 to what's going to be there in 2026 and state wise, it's going to change maybe, maybe on this side you will find an NSW or a and Queensland will really, really benefit, you know? And this is, this is where I think are the Hobart, the Tassie state can also play a role, because the rental yields be
Mudit
there definitely. So because SMSF, the interest rates are a little higher, people in order to balance the cash flow, they look at typically higher rental leads so as he can benefit. But at the same time, market led, like Adelaide, where we are talking about the quality of property not being so great. It may not be so beneficial, because especially in SMSF, people want to keep the property for a longer period, the longer, at least till, yeah. I mean, they'll get the benefit of capital gains and also different markets.
Parag Dixit
It has a different impact, absolutely, right? You know, SMSF is a tool anyways, has to be used very judicious, judiciously, and you need to, obviously know what you're doing. But quality properties will have, there will be a lot of attraction towards SMSF purchases from here. But I think it's going to be a interesting year, 2026 where we've spoken about so many states. I think it's going to be phenomenal. Very, very clearly, if I were to, you know, make a quick summary, you know, wa.

