Episode transcript
Parag Dixit
Hi guys. Welcome back to our next state in the state of investment series. How are you mudit, how are you Julius,
Julius
I'm good. How are you
Parag Dixit
very good. Welcome back to the studio. I'm good
Mudit
as well. Been busy times.
Parag Dixit
Yes, enjoyed enjoying the break, enjoying the last few weeks of school, schools, and then the holidays coming,
Mudit
looking forward to it, just planning a small
Parag Dixit
trip.
Mudit
But yeah, it is, yeah,
Julius
I'm eagerly waiting for
Parag Dixit
you take a break.
Julius
Yeah,
Parag Dixit
from, from what, from, from the war, and from the stuff which is happening around every day is a new day, right?
Julius
Yeah, it is. I can see a lot of implications around now.
Parag Dixit
I know, I know. And there is, there's a lot happening. There's a lot of stuff happening in the market. There's a lot of stuff happening in the environment and geopolitical stuff, economic stuff, new budget, new discussions and lots and lots are in place for this. I think the crazy years, which started from covid, are still not ending. We still have more more craziness to come through
Mudit
absolutely and every every conversation with every client, anybody this, the geopolitical is definitely one of the topics that people are talking about. So that is on everyone's mind because it's impacting all of us. So,
Parag Dixit
yeah, absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. No, that's, that's very good. Welcome guys. I think today we will be talking about our next state in the state of investment, which is, which is WA and Perth. In particular, Perth spin, booming, standout capital of 2026 you know, up 22% annually, though listings are still lagging about 50% below their five year mark. That's so much has happened there. Rate cuts, rate rises have barely impacted. The last two have not done too much there. Regional WA running even hotter on trends, and the affordability is changing. Lots happening in Perth, but the biggest question, which all the investors are asking is, has Perth really has had its run, or there is lot of gas still remaining? You know, there's mining, there's population boom, and there's under supply of properties, all that we will be talking about today, we will talk about breaking down between Perth and regional WA like the format which we've been following for all these things. We'll talk about purchase affordability. We'll talk about Rental Affordability. Is in 20,025 how it has moved in, and the outlook for 26 to be already into March, but outlook for 26 and see what to look forward to in that state, in this state of investment, where does it stand? Where does it stand, and do investors are still look forward to it, or will the investors not look forward to it? How did the first home buyers and owner occupiers look at it? Let's get into it, guys. Let's get into deep dive. Now,
Mudit
absolutely, and it's interesting how you said that is there still gas in Perth. And incidentally, gas is one of the top four exports there as well, right? So there's no gas, it's going to be a big problem. So just on the light, yeah, I hope
Parag Dixit
there is gas. I hope there is all this stuff which is happening in the petrol station and the service stations and all that. But, yeah, this they did. It is. But anyway, so let's start. Let's start with Perth. Let's start with Perth, which is, which is the biggest and by far the most happening place right now in terms of investment, you know, buyers are now paying, I think still they are paying, 10 years ago, kind of prices of Sydney right now, so they're still behind. There's still a lot of way to go with respect to catching up with Sydney, but there is an under supply story which is playing out in Perth. So what, what? What have you seen in terms of data, in in for Perth right now, in terms of purchase affordability, there
Julius
purchase affordability is extremely good, yet, even though it's rewarding faster, if you look at the buying affordability sits at 50% but still it's much below for lot of capital cities like Sydney or Brisbane, when you look at the Adelaide Perth is still much better. When you look at the renting affordability, incomes are pretty good. In fact, rentals are rising, so the renting affordability is around 30% of the income, okay, plus extremely lower supply of properties at this stage, the median prices are sitting at very close to $980,000 not bad. And units and houses don't have much gap, so units are very close to $670,000 yeah, yeah. In terms of growth from last entire last year, houses grew by around 15.7% and units grew by around 17.5%
Parag Dixit
awesome. No, that's, that's fantastic. In fact, I think I read somewhere, and I was noting that that Perth has now really crossed even Melbourne in the median prices which it had, it's, though it's gone up, what, 90% or something in the last five years, or something which is super good, because Perth has really, I think, single handedly taken people across the last two years in the investment landscape, two or three years, right? It's really taken a margin. It's really had some wealth creation for a lot of guys who could invest in time in Perth. And there's still not a bad time to invest. But I'm saying still they're investing in droves there. But whoever is invested in the last two to three years, they made good money. I think about. 20, 20% kind of a return, or overall, Perth dwellings in units and houses and Parag houses and everything together in the last year, 25 and both, both of them, I think the stocks are limited, and both investors, owner occupiers, everybody chasing the same stock and but that's the good part about Perth. What has happened there? You know, this, this and this profile of people is also good, right? Mudir, yeah.
Mudit
So, no, absolutely. The kind of growth it has seen, it has been pretty phenomenal. Of course, there was a there was a long period of time where there was less growth, but last few years and last year also, the same question was there whether it will continue to grow like it has been growing in the last few years. And out of all the capital cities it has been, it has seen one of the fastest growth. The problem is that, because of the sudden growth in prices Perth, is one of those cities where there's a lot of demand, the genuine demand of owner occupiers. But owner occupiers are getting priced out of market because a lot of investor activity has started happening because of the kind of growth it has seen. So owner occupiers are getting priced out. That's that's a part of the story. I mean, there's good and bad about any kind of growth. So that is something which is, which is, which is happening there.
Julius
Yeah. WA, if you look at the WA, is a state compared to most of the states across Australia, for an example, if you compare with the Queensland or South Australia, especially because they had a very big run from last four, five years, the investor proportion in WA is still much below 35% in entire state. And Perth, it's still very close to 32%
Parag Dixit
okay. Versus
Julius
Brisbane is sitting at close to 44 45% as a state, and Queensland as a state, it's around 52%
Parag Dixit
okay.
Julius
So in Perth, the maximum demand when you look at to both the cycles, either it's investor cycles or the owner occupy cycle, it's hand in hand, but investor cycle, or investor demand, is extremely higher all the time in Perth, and that is a good sign.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, absolutely right, yeah. And in fact, the last four or five years has been crazy. There was a time when Perth, like madith, was saying, was a leg out. It was not going anywhere. It was just flat. I think even South Australia was like that. But Perth in particular was just, despite being such a economically vibrant state, and there was lots happening there because of the mining downturn and up and down, there it was. It was pretty much silent. But 25 has been phenomenally good for Perth, and it has done really nice for people. It has done it's, I think got the best yield combinations and the growth combinations, you know, you're getting phenomenal yield. You get rental yields, and you're getting phenomenal capital growths in the state. What more can you ask for? Right? But unfortunately, like you said, local buyers, they were kind of getting pushed out. They were not getting much out there in 25
Mudit
absolutely right? And overall average growth has been pretty high, and the affordability number of years has gone up to like we are saying 50 years. It is one of the fastest deterioration in terms of the affordability matrix, because of the sudden increase in the prices. So there's a cost to it as well. Yes, 5%
Parag Dixit
and all driven by interstate investors who and migration which is coming in, and the employment which has suddenly happened in the mining sector, all led by the commodities uptron, which is happening, and good money which is coming into commodities, steel and all that stuff there. So the demand has been structurally driven by all of these three factors together, coming in into that same state. Population growth has been amazing for I think wa cross three mil or something in 2024, at the state, and which is the fastest growing state in Australia, fastest growing so it and you have everything there, right? Population growing, the economics coming in, there, migration coming in, there, resources coming in, there. What more do you ask?
Julius
Employment is more diversified, and then incomes are like pretty good than most of the states. And then also, when you look at the supply metrics, stock and market is still below point 3%
Parag Dixit
All right, yeah.
Julius
And when you look at liquidity score, which is days on market is below 35 days, yeah, which is pretty good. None of the LGs witnessed negative growth.
Julius
Every LG across the Perth grew faster than what we were anticipated and especially towards. In last year, we had witnessed two booms within a single year. First was where the investors are very much interested, and second was mostly towards owner occupiers. So that was like the growth was outpaced rather than all the other states. But when you look at the broad demand based, then it's not a speculative investment, or it's not a speculative boom, it's where there is a fundamental boom, where supply is extremely lower, demand was extremely higher from investors because of the good yields. When we look at the community yields, they are around 3.7% but when you look at lot of LGAs, where the investors are interested, and then property prices are still below $900,000 yields are still 4.5 to 5%
Parag Dixit
all right,
Julius
that kind of yields you're sitting on,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right? And and I think despite the. Kind of actions which investor lending is bringing in through and all that. Despite all of that, what is happening, the demand structurally remains extremely strong there and that. And the reason is very clearly. So see, if you just look at what you said the listings, it's about, as I was saying at the start, it's about 50% lower than the average of the last four, five years, right? So five year average is pretty high, and still, you don't have listings. Don't have properties, owner occupiers. Those started later, but they are still vying for it. There is this. Not so much of stock available. This stock level is so tight that people are just there's a cube, yeah. In fact, in fact, although surprisingly, although building approvals grew by 45% last year, which is phenomenally, a phenomenal increase in a year, but still, there's a huge lag. And that is what so structurally, the demand has gone up, but the supply has remained constrained despite higher approvals happening. It is there's so much gap still, and that's where the whole story, whole stories, and I think, I think the sweet spot is within $800,000 kind of a property, because that is where the everyone, the investors, want to be there. That's where you get the yield. The owner occupiers want to be there. The people who are wanting to upgrade their house do whatever they want. Anybody who wants to get into a property, that's the action point. I think that's the that's the choice point where, okay, I want to be in that segment, and I want to be in that place, to be there. So Perth has been phenomenal for all of these things. But what? What about WA? What about regional WA? This is this? I think WA is bit behind Perth as well, right? Perth used to be five and a half 6% yields in rental yields or yields in but now that's where WA is, right. Houses are growing 16, 17% not bad, right? Not bad. When you compare to Perth, it looks bad, but not bad. Who doesn't want 16% growth? But there's no it's not there anywhere in Australia. That's right, right? So what? What else you see in data out there in terms of the regional Western Australia.
Julius
Regional Western Australia depends on the LGAs, but there are a lot of alga is fast and fastest growing across the Australia. The median houses close to mid to high 600 depends on in which LG we go towards. And units are still at below $400,000 there's a huge gap between the units, unit in terms of the townhouses, the block of units, or the villas kind of thing, where there is a big gap, houses grew by 16.5% where the unit performance was not great. It's around nine and a half percent. But regional WA has compounded around 88.8% in last five years. So it has extraordinary and it's still affordable. So if you look at the yields, yields are still very close to 6% supply is extremely tight. There are no houses at all. And then even though we can see there is a good mining boom towards the biggest mining LGs as well. So market is pretty tight. There is big momentum in property purchases from the investors, as well as what I could see is basically there is lot of net internal migration towards the regional town centers, because they lot of investors, or, sorry, lot of FIFA workers, a lot of people from Metro Perth or metro Brisbane or Sydney, they are trying to move towards the bigger side of the regional town center, which are the significant urban area, because of the good income, yeah, and because of that extra extraordinary demand towards those properties, we could see there is a tightness into the listings. Where do you go towards Geraldton or go towards Bunbury? You go to the Albany? Everywhere you can see the stress within the property prices.
Parag Dixit
All right, okay, and that's why, that's, that's, that's why I think we finding more rerating happening in terms of the regional WA areas. More and more areas are becoming hotter and better, and we are finding, we finding people are vying to stay there, whether it's down to Bunbury area or up to giralton and all of these areas, people are wanting to go there. They are not No more no no areas. And still, we are having five and a half, 6% kind of a yields out there, 8% plus of apartment or unit yields out there, amazing kind of yields. You don't find that anywhere, right? I think if you combine all of these, more than 23% return, it's an amazing return which people have got in 2025 all driven by the resources sector, all driven by all, all of these mining and the employment which has come through. There's been a strong, strong driver of business out there. And I think no LGA has, has been, has been bad. I think every LG is all round kind of activity which has happened there in this area. I think we've seen that right all these areas of whether it's Bunbury, around that area, Geralt and karate, all of those areas, port, headland, all of these, though, they are mining in coastal hubs, but they are still equally going strong.
Julius
Resource sectors have a lot of boom, and then they are extraordinary with it's a long term. Home, yeah, especially when you look at look towards the Calgary as well. Then company were trying to set up the camps now to accommodate the workers because of the fact that there are no houses, yeah. Also there are a lot of places are diversified. And then wa the state is trying to diversify the regional town centers as well. They don't want to focus more towards the Perth as a city. So they want to create, they would like to create more employment opportunities towards the regional areas, like a significant urban area. So we could see there is a significant amount the population growth in those areas. But when you look at the houses over there, the trades are short. Property prices are going up because of the two factors, not more supply, not new building approvals, the construction cost is extremely higher in the remote regional because of the trade shortages as well as material shortages, land is cheaper, but because of the construction delay, there is more pressure on the property prices.
Parag Dixit
Absolutely right, and I think you're right. So the demand and the employment which is being created by, you know, mining and energy and construction and all of these segments have been strong, strong drivers of, not even the growth, but also population. And population inflow is all was always contributing to what's happening in WA suddenly, you know, there is so much of stuff which is happening. There are LNG projects coming up, and I think there is a strong demand which is going to come up across a large area of WA, regional WA, because of that which is, which is that happening in the severe, serious supply constraint is still there. Like you rightly said, camps are being set up. I was, I was surprised to read that's a 500 bed camp being set up in an area. But that being that being said, it's not that only that is happening in government is pumping in money towards roads and regional hubs and trying to create broad based employment structures in there, which is great, which is really good, because then you're looking at the demand spreading out. It's not concentrated in one
Mudit
town
Mudit
from from a demand angle, I think Perth has been doing, and the intentional push to develop holistically has been great. Definitely, it has been a great policy there. I think what needs to be solved, and which is not an instant solve, is the supply thing. So that's us. That's the solution that will solve the problem for housing. But again, it's not an instant solve. It takes time. The whole ecosystem around construction and approval and building, it takes time. So, so that's, that's something which will, which will be very important factor to see whether, how, how the next, next one year looks like.
Mudit
Yeah,
Parag Dixit
it's a bit of it. It's a bit of a tight situation that inventory is not going to get solved so easily. There's, there is nothing much there. There's not much happening. Because, again, we have to see that they are. It's, again, if you look, when you're looking at giraldon from Perth, it's not a short distance. It's a pretty it's part pretty far off. If you go down to Albany or something, it's pretty far off. It's a four, five hour drive. It's a long distance away. If you go to karate, or if you're going to all of these areas, you know, Calgary, you know, pretty far off area. So it's not so easy to be able to to be able to set up infrastructure out there. It's not so easy for construction being concerned to come about there. There's a massive trade shortage out there. Whenever somebody wants to talk of construction,
Julius
inventory scarcity has multiple reasons. The number one is the federal investment. So when you look at the projects, the amount of projects they have, like ocus announced 10,000 jobs. They have a lot of defense, housing, like a Garden Island. It's few billion dollar projects. Then it's only state which is surplus and GST. And then they are investing more towards the real infrastructure, where the Metroid project is connecting most of the is across the Perth, or the greater Perth, or the remote Perth, towards the Perth CBD, where they'll be spending more than $16 billion so most of the construction workers are engaged into those type of major projects where there is a serious supply of workers, or the construction workers supply shortage of Those towards the housing, and that's the reason why, okay, you still have a little bit of land release, and then when they release the land, it just booked by developers immediately. It's not like you have oversupply of the land which is coming up. Second thing is, when you look at the construction timeframe, extremely high construction cost is higher the amount of pressure thought inventory, which is being generated versus amount of consumption, consumption is pretty strong. So from last few years, inventory is much below three months and it's not growing at all and it's shrinking
Parag Dixit
absolutely no. And that's a fair point. You know, when people are getting more and more employed and engaged within the Perth CBD, in itself, regional, Western Australia is taking a hit because the labor doesn't go there. They need to go there. They can still find an employment out there, though, there is a there is a net migration, which is happening outside but not at that scale, especially the labor. They're just not going out there. They don't need to. They're still getting great stuff out there. And then. The material to reach in these smaller areas is, again, there is a there's a cost to it, and that brings up the cost compound it with labor shortage. So labor cost also goes up. Hence the cost of construction is too constrained out there, and not even the cost of construction. But even, even there are not enough people to be able to do stuff there, and which is why it is causing the whole inventory to become even more severe, a shortage, rather than, then what it looks like. And that's a that's a bit of a concern, which is there in terms of what, what most can happen. And that's why prices are still going up for whatever you have. You have to take that right, and you have no other choice from and
Julius
it has lot of impact on the rentals as well. So when you look at the rental turnovers, vacancies are much below 1% in most of the places, yeah, even though, if you look at the bigger suburbs like ivis, or if you go towards the lake lands, or if you go towards the northern side, the max vacancy is 1.2% where the suburb size is 12 square kilometer. That's how the supply shortage is. So because of that supply shortage in terms of the rentals, yeah, plus the fastest rental turnover vacancies extremely low, which creates more pressure on a rental prices,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right. Now, that's, that's, that's a good start. So Okay, now let's talk about Rental Affordability in the Perth. Perth itself, right in 425, what happened there? Now we've seen that right because of these same factors, because people want to stay there. There's so much of economics happening. There's so much of work which is happening there. It's, it's under severe rental pressure. Yeah, it has. It is the tightest in all the major markets. It is, it there is no, no respite to it, the trends are up, say, 6% roughly 6% on houses, up more than six, 7% in apartments are there. So in Unit sector, phenomenal yield. As an investor, I'm loving it, right? I know what, what? What better can I get? I'm having a cap 20% capital growth, and I'm having a six, 7% 8% rental growth. Why do I not like it. I definitely like it, and that that's why the rental growth is there. That's why every kind of stuff is there. It some supplies comes up. Little bit of better Betterment versus 24 has happened in 25 but not doesn't look, doesn't look, looks more like a structurally under supplied rental markets.
Julius
And then I witnessed, like, we bought few properties, and especially when you go towards the inner CVD of birth, there are, like, 3637 families, and then your house can get rent or in within within it for first or second open home. Yeah. Plus, few months ago, we see, okay, the 600 to 650 was a common rental per week for three bedroom and bathroom houses. Now the situation is you can cross $7 per week, since the incomes are higher, renting affordability is still below 30% and
Mudit
there
Julius
is a very limited availability of the houses where the demands from mining sector is too good, demand from other employments is extremely good. Plus you have very limited stock. Plus lot of people are buying home and becoming an owner occupiers. So the new population, which is moving there their own houses rent, and that is creating additional
Parag Dixit
pressure, yeah, yeah, absolutely right. And that's that's creating a lot of pressure in the market there, because population is still growing, right? Population continues to grow. And when they continue to grow, there is a demand which is a demand which is coming there, and that demand is just not being you know, you don't have sufficient dwelling completions, housing completions, of construction completions which can cater to the rise of demand. So you're one. You did not have the enough stock already. Now you're lagging in the new stock coming into it. So rents are going up and they are accelerating, or year and year they're accelerating for last couple of years. You know, fastest, I think, must be the fastest in any other capital region, yeah, just because of the demand and supply gap in terms of rent in the Perth city and and it this, there is no quick fix, right? Again, like we talked about other areas, there's no quick fix. There's not enough land which is coming. That's not enough. There is. The resources sector is demanding more and more. The construction workforce is demanding more and more in the in the Perth, but it's just not happening. And I think you're right. There's a lot happening in infrastructure build up across Perth, which is creating more and more demand for people. And you can you now finding, I was, I was surprised. You were now finding houses getting into dual key, kind of a structure where people are dividing their house into two, and still, there
Julius
wasn't a concept in Perth as it like they had a dual income properties. But now we could see there are a lot of properties either converted into dual income. Lot of land developers, or home and land packages have been come up with the dual
Parag Dixit
income
Julius
properties because of the fact that shortage of the properties. Second thing is Perth. Historically, Perth rentals was extremely higher.
Mudit
Yeah,
Julius
last year, the entire National Rental rise is around 4.8% five Perth was around 5.2% all right? And. Especially on towards the higher segment of the rental band,
Parag Dixit
yeah.
Julius
So that's because of extremely supply crisis.
Parag Dixit
That's the supply crisis, correct? That's, that's because of the supply crisis, which is why we are finding that it has one of the lowest listing volumes across the country, lowest, like you rightly said, one, one and a half percent kind of a vacancy rate, which is, which is practically nothing, you know, just
Julius
even though, if you release the land also, you need two years to build house,
Parag Dixit
yeah, you need two years to build a house. So,
Mudit
it's
Julius
just, I was reading the data so, so per to become supply neutral, it will be looking at around 2030 to 2034,
Parag Dixit
okay, still
Julius
there. It's extremely low supply area where,
Parag Dixit
which means that when we look at and when we will come to it, when we when we talk about 26 but it's going to remain as a poor situation in terms of supply in 26 as well. And that's that's because there's not much in terms of supply coming in there. The rental listings are so far, so far down. It's just not helping you in any way at all. In
Mudit
although, although the rental listings increased a bit, but still, like you're saying, it's been below one and a half percent, roughly in that range. So the structural supply constraint continues to be the key dominant factor which is causing the rental crisis as well as the purchase crisis.
Parag Dixit
And what do you what? What do you see? If you, if you think this is where Perth is, how bad is regional, Western Australia, if you, if you look at the same thing in terms of Rental Affordability, positioning,
Mudit
Rental Affordability, so it is gross yield for for units, for example, in the rental in the regional is 8% plus which is, which is, by far, probably the highest in the country anywhere, right? So that, that one number itself shows you that what kind of crisis of supply is there, right? So, so that return in terms of investment has been 23% because of the rental plus the growth you've seen there. It's phenomenal, that ways,
Parag Dixit
yeah, I think, I think the must be the, by far the highest in the country, right? If you have an 8% rental yield in units, then I'm 2% or something two and a half percent or something positive, versus my loan, cash rate, cost, and even this is great, right? What else do I want?
Mudit
Absolutely and even for houses, the gross yield has been 5% plus. So So regional in terms of, again, the rental supply, it is doing pretty great, because, again, supply shortage, rents have gone up by 10% in the last year, right? So the so regional, if we compare with Perth, has seen fast more growth in terms of the rentals and the yields and the overall return overall last year.
Parag Dixit
But I think you know, if you there's two sides of the coin. So if you are a migrant worker, or if you are coming from outside, or if you are working in the mining or construction or energy or all of these segments, if you're working there, I think you're in a good, good space, right? You're getting heaps of money, and you are able to afford and you go there and you splurge, and you pay more, and you can pay rent. But I think you feel for the local guys, the local earners who are working in your grocery stores, who have a cafe, who, who, who's living there, I think then they struggle, right? It's tough for them. It's tough for them on what's happening in the regional market. And there is absolutely this. This workforce is not going anywhere because there's so much of employment. So you don't think that this is transient. It's going to it's not temporary. It is permanent out there, and there is no supply which is going to come. Hence the Rental Affordability is going to remain worse and worse,
Julius
worse and worse and worse and and then that's that. That's what we can witness from data. 10% rental rises, yeah, that means amount of pressure,
Parag Dixit
yeah,
Julius
on a listing. So the inventory is extremely high. Can't control it, because employment is good. Lot of migrant workers are coming there to work. Need lot of houses and supply is extremely low, plus skill shortages. So it is going to be like that for longer time, for
Parag Dixit
long period of time. And I think we've already spoken a lot, and we can't pressure more on this part that the whole resources, the construction and the LNG and the LPG and the energy and all of these are really driving demand. But one more hidden factor, not hidden, or maybe new, emerging factor, which has come in into regional and especially the southern regional WA, is the belt, you know, right from Esperance, if you've gone there, beautiful town, I would love, I'll tell you go there a beautiful, beautiful town. But right round from when you come down the coast in raventhorpe, and then you come to Albany, that whole belt, to burnbury, Mandurah, and below Mandurah and all that. Oh, beautiful areas. But what a tourism demand which is coming there. I was, I was there last year, and then it's, it's. All full. At Christmas, there was sheets are full, shops are full, cafes are full. You need to book appointments, and it's all full on that, that new bit of tourism and lifestyle, which used to be one strong point of gold, coast and sunshine, coast and all that bit in Queensland that's now coming in that bit areas as well. It's also there in North WA, but not so much more as much is in the South Western Australia, which is a new factor, which has come in there, and that is really driving demand. There was, I was there in a town called bustle town, okay, right. So bustle town, you get houses are now close to, I was told that by the real estate agent. They're close to a million dollars. And Busselton, if you go there, it's at the longest jetty, beautiful one, but you can that's amazing town. But a million dollars out there, that's a regional WA thing. You don't get houses on trend there at all. All this is a new, new addition to WA, which was never there. So tourism is also now driving in regional WA, the demand for renters and people are coming in there and staying in there. And that's that makes it the fee for workers, the construction workers, the tourism place, people, the tourists, which are coming. So everything is demand. Airbnb, the whole works is driving demand out there.
Julius
WA was added in mainstream from last four, five years, and there is lot of information around, okay, where to go, what to go? Because, yeah, when you go towards the southern side, beautiful beaches. You go to the secret Harbor, beautiful beach, Rockingham, for sure, amazing. Then when you go towards Mandra, it's another second city which is coming up, nice coastal lifestyle towards the secret Harbor. And then you still go down towards the manbury. Yes, there is lot of tourism demand, for sure,
Parag Dixit
correct? And that decreases the rental inventory, right?
Mudit
Yes,
Parag Dixit
the inventory available to you is so it gets constrained. You know, the capacity gets constrained. Constrained. Everything gets constrained. You just below the it's just there's no improvement, like mudit was saying, it's just no improvement. Significant amount of properties were allocated to the Airbnb. Yeah, yeah, correct, yeah, it is it, and 26 doesn't look like it's going to happen. Do anything much in for anyways, 25 was constrained for w, for the regional w as well. 26 doesn't look like it's going to be there. But before we get into 26 okay, very quickly, can we? Can we just, maybe just see what are the factors which are going to be important in the year 26 and how would it look like? So if we were to look at, maybe, let's, let's look at what's the impact of inflation with it, what would you say? What would be the impact of inflation and how it is running through in the WA market in 426
Mudit
See, inflation is one of the, one of the primary factors which is going to drive 2026 not only, not only wn, but but everywhere else. And the problem with inflation is that we have started seeing that in the fish is going up. We have seen the result of impact of it, of directly, that RBA has started increasing the interest rate, cash rate as well. The one of the challenges there is that, how long the geopolitical issues continue, and how long will they continue? How much impact will it have on inflation, right? So per CPI, it through, through to to last year. Last quarter grew by 3.9% which is not a small percentage growth, right? So inflation is directly going to impact the interest rate, which has a direct impact on people's capacity to spend. Good thing about WA is that propensity to the disposable income is a little bit on the higher side. Having said that, that's still an average kind of number. So when we go to household number, household level number, it becomes very different.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, absolutely. And we've been all going gaga about the, you know, the rents are rising and phenomenal rental yields and construct and the cost is rising and construction cost is rising. But these are the exact factors which are driving the inflation out there. If you look at inflation in WA or in regional WA, or in Perth, all of these, these rental, rental increase which is contributing to the inflation, increase the construction cost, which is contributing to inflation, increase, energy cost, contributing to construction and to inflation increase, all key ones. And these are, like we said, these are sticky. They are not going away anywhere when, because they are sticky and they are a nature of WA market today, and expect it to be there in the year 26 and beyond as well. So doesn't look like at least for the waw state itself. It's going to come down into the two to 3% band, which RBA wants it to be there if, and Perth is a large state or wa at large states, if it's not going to come down to that two to 3% there have to be that hard work has to be done by some other states which have, which have to contribute to bringing the inflation down. Which are those states is a different thing to talk about. But Perth is going to run, WA is going to run pretty hot in terms of inflation in this in this current year, and if. Look because of this, when we look at the interest rate impact which is coming there, you know the we are seeing that. Okay, we've seen that all the time. The variable rates have gone up. We've just seen fixed rates now touching 7% with some banks for one year, they're touching 7% huge impact. Now all of that is is going to be having an impact on WA. The good part of WA is because they have the rental yields are much better, so maybe borrowers are still going to be able to afford it here. Borrowers will still be better off there. But the weather is the Adi, a cap, which is come, which is coming through February, about 20% cap. How will that impact? It's it's going to be seen, but largely because of the rental increases and the yields, we may find that the interest rate environment, which is getting tighter and tighter, may still become a kind of WA can become a kind of a place where people can still look at investing, because they find that okay, despite inflation going in, despite interest rates going in, I Am I find that the yields are better. So let me, let me explore that area, and let me invest there. For someone who's still keen to invest. So interest rate environment is going to be, is not going to be so much of a driving factor. It will be, but it may be, became, becomes counterproductive, that it people would want to come there to invest, because you're finding that it is a better state, which is where it is, and that's why the economic outlook of WA becomes very important, right? And economic outlook of WA looks pretty strong. You know, it looks pretty very, very strong. You're still finding that the that the government is expecting, that this still will have a great GDP forecast, which is going to go up, we are finding that there will be a phenomenal demand increasing, which is going to happen. We cannot keep on saying about housing and housing and housing, but household demand
Julius
is getting driven by nothing,
Parag Dixit
right? The
Mudit
unemployment was was roughly 3% in the last couple of months ago, right? So overall, we are seeing that you're absolutely right that the interest rate increase has is a negative factor, but because of the rental corresponding rental increase, it may still continue to become more attractive. How and the supply constraint there will continue to push to put the pressure on the rental increases and and that's what we are going to see here there,
Parag Dixit
yeah, and like, whenever RBA talks off if employment is going to keep on rising and unemployment, basically, which is what RBA is trying to touch. If unemployment is not growing there, we don't want people to lose jobs, but if that's the factor which contributes to inflation, but if an unemployment is not going to be growing there. If wages is going to be growing there, then these are the factors which really are going to keep on impacting the economic outlook there, because it's going to keep on tightening, it's going to keep on contributing to inflation rising, and it's not going to have there. But I think the biggest, if I look at the overall infrastructure, economic and the whole thing there, I think the biggest, maybe the caution point can only be the demand which happens in commodities, the iron ore demand, which can be there, if there is an any kind of an impact on iron ore demand, that is the only bit which I think can be kind of a headwind on in what happens to the WA market. Otherwise, the economic outlook is pretty strong, right?
Mudit
Otherwise, it is very strong. But you rightly pointed out that the demand, especially from China, now that is, again, another big factor, the political factor there, that how much? Because there's already a drop in the demand there, and if that drops further, that's going to be a little bit of problem there. But yeah, of course, it's a national it's not just a state level problem. It's a it's a problem to be solved at the national level. So,
Mudit
yeah,
Parag Dixit
right. In fact, there are some large, I don't know, mines which have opened up. And there's a big mine which which opened up in Africa, which is, which is going to have a demand impact on especially the China market. China is the biggest purchaser for iron ore for Australia. So if that mines is going to provide cheaper or better, or any other has any kind of a way to impact, what is going to happen? Wa is going to straight feel the impact, and then the employment drivers, which are the resources industry, is going to be the first one to be impacted, and hence contributing to the full cycle. Maybe that's the only cautionary tale which we can see in the WA market. But otherwise it is phenomenally good, you know. But again, the another factor which we spoke about during this thing was, was migration population. What would you see as an as an outlook in migration population for this year now, 26
Mudit
see the population. WA has been the fastest growing population has seen the fastest growth. It is surpassed 3 million, and so the growth has been roughly 2.8% last year. And the expectation is that it may not remain at that level, somewhere between, somewhere closer to 2% that's where the population growth is, but that's also quite a large number of people from a net migration perspective. Especially given that housing supply has been a constraint. So population net migration into WA is going to continue, and that is one of the factors, along with more robust economic activity, which is the strong driver there, actually.
Parag Dixit
And I think both NSW and Victoria in particular, are losing people to Queensland and WA is also one of the biggest gainers of population movement,
Julius
correct? So two years ago, people were moving towards Brisbane because it's affordable. Brisbane is in a situation where it's sitting at at least one to $1.2 million as median house prices. Moreover, the incomes are not that great. So the lot of people are moving towards the WA because of the more employment opportunities. Housing is still affordable, and then incomes are pretty good, which is giving more pressures towards the property prices. But when you look at the current medians, now still it is an affordable segment,
Parag Dixit
yeah.
Julius
So there is still a bunch of net internal migration towards the WA. Those who can't afford to live in Sydney. They used to go to the Brisbane. Now they try to go towards the WA. And then we could see there is more impact towards the property prices.
Parag Dixit
Absolutely right. And that's that buying population migration when it keeps on happening, and it's, it's a net, net coming into Perth, and then also a spillover impact into regional WA that's going to continue to happen, even though it may moderate a bit a bit in this year 26 but it's going to continue to happen that this is what is going to be there and and that's why the it's important that for us To understand that 26 is not going to have any kind of a respite to a wa market. And if you look at the whole overall, a kind of a socio economic context around it, all of this, this minerals, which is coming in, is going to continue. It's going to be it's going to keep on providing it a buffer in the market. This whole bit is very, very strong in the in the whole social plus economic context of WA, 26 is going to be no change. 26 is going to have even better stuff coming in, even the the LNG project, which is with the production starting off, that's going to be another huge demand driver in WA in itself, and massive, massive employment in in the northern Pilbara and all
Mudit
that.
Mudit
So actually, absolutely right. That's how WA is very, very different from the other states, the eastern coast states, gas, lithium, gold, ores. These are the biggest drivers of the economy and export of the state, right? So this is very different from how other states are. So the impact of commodity market, like we're talking about the export market, that is the factor which changes the entire outlook of the state. So that is going to be important the political situation with China, especially as a key demand driver there that becomes, that remains an important seek, a very, very critical thinking in terms of more employment
Julius
generation activity. When you look at the socio economic impact towards employment, more employments are generated due to a federal defense kind of work as well,
Parag Dixit
yeah, yeah. Especially
Julius
when you look at only towards the southern side in Rockingham Council, it's Garden Island has like multi 1000s of job opportunities. It's like $9.2 billion project OCAs, in next 10 years, they're going to employ around 10,000 people. So it's a continuous employment generation process. Then when you look at the MetroNet again, more than $16 billion project. So when we look at this type of projects, like when Sydney God to Western Sydney God airport, like it's a once in a generation, type of projects similar to this Perth had been through a multiple of these massive projects, which creates a good amount of employment opportunities,
Parag Dixit
absolutely, right? When we, when we look at the employment opportunities, we also have to see the what kind of employment opportunities
Mudit
are
Parag Dixit
coming in there. It's, it's amazing that there is mining and there is this minerals driven employment opportunity, but, but that carries a risk as well, right? So we've seen wa that wa did not grow for 1015, years because there was so much of mining concentration. And there was to be, you know, there's a town where suddenly you have 500 beds which is required there, correct? The one employer, one mining giant, which was there, one big person which was there, suddenly says, Okay, thank you very much. I'm going and done. The whole town collapses completely because there is nothing there. And that's a big concentration risk, and especially the hubs of, you know, karatha and Port Headland there. And they are, they are clear, clear Pilbara, clear mining, mining driven town. So that's there is a risk of. Concentration risk of maybe employment risk, which is there that suddenly can, it can change the whole landscape. But I think the other hubs which we can see, the, you know, the Bunbury and the geraldtons, of them, they have become, now, now, more more vibrant, more multi employed, more diversified. That's the right word, and that's that's maybe allowing them to become more investor darlings, you know, I I have a lower risk there, and I'm getting this still, I'm still getting a good return out there. So it's brilliant. You know, why should I not invest in such?
Mudit
Yes,
Julius
investment hypothesis is not only on demand and supply, yeah, but you still have, like, socio economic impact. You have a diversified employment where the concentration risk is extremely
Mudit
low, correct?
Julius
And that's driving them, so it's going to be a long term impact on the property prices, 100%
Parag Dixit
100% No, that's, that's, that's good. Now, when, when we look at this, this, there's another thing which I would want to ask you. So when we we've been talking a lot about the environment, we've spoken about what's going to happen in 26 and generally on the economic and the socials and in all of these bits now, we would also been talking about the vacancies and the rental vacancies and the rental yields and and all of this. Now, when we combine this, rental vacancies are going down and the yields are going up, that has a severe impact on ownership as well. Now there is a point where we start thinking, Okay, I am as now I am on the other side. I am the tenant. If I am the tenant, how do I how will I react to this? Now, rents are rising, inflation is rising, interest rate is rising. There is a point where I start thinking, Okay, I do I rent, or do I just buy? Is my affordability? That my repayments, my rental, rent is going to be equal to my repayment. So might as well take a jump, and that provides another flip to the market, where now you are competing as owner occupier, and that's what we saw in WA in the last few years. Early it was investor, investor, investors. And the owner and the owner occupiers, for that segment there was saying, oh, foolish guys, you know, WA doesn't rise. It's just pretty it's going to be pretty flat, flat. And it's, they don't know it's mining and this and that and all that. And then suddenly you find that, oh no, this is not like this. There's, there's a stuff happening. And now my rent is increasing, and I'm better off buying an owner occupied properties. So this, this, this kind of vacancies. And then you when you are queuing up to for a house with 25 people on the on the on the street, looking at one particular house, and you don't get it, and it's a disappointment, then you start thinking, Okay, do I buy or do I do I continue to rent? Or do I take the plunge? You know, they're good first to buy a skin coming in. So there's more upgrading opportunities available. So as an owner occupier, okay, as an owner occupier, maybe ask this from you, Madi, as an owner occupier, what do you think? How do I how will, how should I react to this kind of a market? What? What would I do? What would you do if you were there? So
Mudit
that's, that's a very interesting question, and it's difficult to answer, as in what? Because everybody's context is very different. In fact, if you look at as a first home buyer, in fact, the government has also increased the schemes, for example, stamp duty waiver, they have gone up. The benchmark has been increased to 500k and for vacant land, it has gone up with 350 k, because they're seeing that the property prices and land prices have gone beyond that, right? So as an owner occupier, you absolutely right, and that's what we have seen in especially in there, that because of relatively lower property prices and the affordability still being there, and the rental pressure being there, a lot of people are have been considering this, and that's the real genuine the local demand, which is keeping the demand going there, and that's What is it gets even more interesting for investors, because there's a genuine demand of owner occupiers who want to buy, but yes, because of the rise in prices, which has gone up by 90% in the last five years, a lot of owner occupiers who are looking at entry level houses, they're getting priced out because those have gone up. And that's that brings them back to saying, Okay, if I can't afford now, if my income is not able to support, then I would rather rent again.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, so I think that's a good point. So there is a point where it came in that about, say, if I am at about, say, 657, British kind of a rent, I am finding that okay, my mortgage for about a 500k loan, maybe somewhere there I am kind of equal, equal. Okay, so I can rent and I can have a 500k loan. So that's where the whole movement in the sub 800 market with sub 800 properties are like, kind of this thing that I want to be there if there is a regional WA, that's why the boom, that if you're at around 606 50k kind of a property price, so you are there. Okay, so your rent versus this thing in a house matches, matching. Yeah, this matches, so I might as well buy. Why pay rent to somebody as if I can buy? So that is demand that is driving that and specifically for someone who can either access a deposit, or if you're a first home buyer, and you can get to a 5% scheme, and you are able to take advantage of stamp duty waivers and be there some. There you you can take a benefit So, but, but as soon as the prices start crossing 800 that same thing keeps on changing. So that's a bit of a that's a bit of a change which is happening in terms of an owner occupier. But as an owner occupier, I still had made a good, good case of jumping into it and trying to say, Okay, I want to be in the mix. I don't want to lose out. Property prices are rising. It's affordable till it's about there where I can rent and do all that, or maybe I stretch a bit and I can do that. But let me jump in.
Julius
It happened in entire mid 2025 it was happening before, but when the schemes was around from oddly to mid 2025 till now, we could see a massive owner occupied demand in property market. So wherever you go, you see, okay, 25 to 30 families for inspection, and then they're fighting with each other. So, so the properties which are eating into market, they can go under offer in next three to four days,
Parag Dixit
right?
Julius
Yeah. And then what we have seen another thing is basically the lot of people who were towards the surrounding of the metro Perth, they sold their houses for a good price, because property prices have risen a lot, and they are doing a suburb jumping.
Parag Dixit
All right, okay,
Julius
yes. So there is a massive demand between 800 to $1 million property prices as well. Those who made good money towards the lower segment, they're getting into that segment. So that is the entire phenomena which is happening into the Perth property market. Yes, there is enough investor demand because of the higher interleaved, but owner occupied demand is massive.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, okay, okay. And okay. Now that's, that's great. So now let's, let's flip it. Okay. As an investor, I want to come in now and investor very clearly I am looking at my loan cost, and I'm looking at my rental yields now, now it, how does it impact? So if I am looking at in Perth, okay, Perth apartment, I'm still about say, unit segment. I'm still about say, five ish percent, five and a half percent there, correct? Yeah, I'm still maybe just close to being neutral, or I'm still maybe a bit slightly bit positive.
Mudit
And then this used to be a much better number a couple of years ago, but, yeah, it has gone down, but it is still still much better, right? Much
Mudit
better than
Parag Dixit
apartments you did market. I'm still maybe one and a half 2% negative only in houses, so I'm not bad if I'm got up 800k property, and if I've got an 80% loan, 640 640,000 kind of a loan, and if I'm one, one and a half percent or something negative, then I'm talking of not much, right? 500 to 700 or $800 negative in a month in terms of cash flow. A lot of people can think that maybe I can afford that. You know that there's something which I can love to do and absolutely
Mudit
100% right in Perth, and especially for a lot of investors. And given the way interest rates, interest rates have have gone up, contrary to what the belief was few months ago, a lot more people who are focusing on cash flow for them Perth and even the regional it becomes even more appealing because in regional your your rental yield is close to 555, and a half percent. The rental yield for units is close to 8% so birth and regional both become more appealing for people purely from a cash flow perspective itself, which is becoming more and more important given the overall inflation and interest rate increase. In fact,
Parag Dixit
you're right. And if you look at a regional WA unit market, that is actually cash flow positive. So if one of the very, very few areas in the country, which at today's rate of interest as well, are cash flow positive and not barely positive, they are that good, one and a half 2% positive in the rental yields versus cost. So if you looking at all of these factors, put together me as an investor, if I'm looking in 26 I say, Okay, I'm on an average property of 800 ish. I'm about $1,000 negative. Not bad for a house. If I am an apartment, I may be even lower. Two, $300 negative, maybe two, $300 positive, and that's worth right? And regional, I am looking at neutral in houses, and I'm looking at positive in units. It's a compelling proposition.
Julius
As an investor, the first approach is, okay, everybody wants a capital growth, but where I'll get a good cash flow at 6% interest rate or six six and a percent interest rate. There are a lot of places in Metro Perth where you can still achieve yields in between 4.7 to 5.2% depends on the property type, and then they enter you're very close to the Perth city. So as an investor, when I'm calculating, okay, if I want to spend 700 or $800,000 then my approach would be still the capital city first, rather then I'll go for the significant urban area, and then I'll go towards the regional town center. Or, for an example, I'm doing SMSF investment. I'll be looking for a good properties where structural property should be good, it should be capital city, and then it should have a good rental yields. This. All the things are already been taken care in person. As well as when you look at the capital growth perspective, because of the structural under supply, plus good affordability plus good incomes, the property capital growth perspective is still good. And then that's only capital city which is giving you both the combination of the capital growth as well as the rental yields. So it's more viable solution for the investor in terms of the personal investment, as well as the self managed super fund. So there is, there's a good demand for our investors, and then it is going to be remains of a few years.
Parag Dixit
But okay, so now that's good. So there's a good demand for investors. But do you think the key question, if I were to maybe put you across for 2026 Do you think that these rental conditions will sustain? Do you think they will continue to be there? And what are the key risks were there? What do you think if you look at from a mortgage point of view, if you look at from a portfolio point of view, what do you think they will sustain? And do you think, what are the key risks which we carry, both in Perth or in the WA market,
Mudit
given how, how we are seeing migration, the business outlook and the supply crunch, the pressure on supply is, is there? It's real? Yeah, okay, yeah, it's real, and there is no overnight solution to it. It doesn't change in a day, like Julius was saying that it's probably till 3230 2032, or 2034 that's when it's expected to become neutral. Now. So this is real, so from a outlook point of view, yes, this is going to continue. But key risks for Perth, one of the key risks, which is there is affordability. It has deteriorated pretty sharply in the last couple of years. Right now, years to own has gone up to 50 years that has become high. And the question is, is it reaching the ceiling?
Parag Dixit
Now, is
Mudit
it
Mudit
reaching a ceiling? And that will become, that becomes the biggest risk. Having said that, because of the supply shortage and demand, Sydney is sitting at 80 plus years already, so the 50 to 80 years gap that is still there. I mean, can Perth become that worse? That risk there for regional WA, the risk is, like we said, that it's a lot dependent a lot of cities there, not all, but a lot of cities there are still dependent on one single employment, mining or whatever, right? So the risk of how this year sees, continues to see the growth, the exports, the global demand for the exports from the state. How will that sustain? There's the risk of dependence on one specific industry. That risk always is there, and that will be, that will continue
Parag Dixit
to be there, for it to be there, yeah, that's, that's the nature of the state. But I think the good, if I were to look at regional WA market. The good, sweeter spot comes in those Bunbury and the geraldtons. Yeah, these kind of markets where, where they are not too dependent on mining. They not they've not become Perth, they've not become that. But they are significant urban areas which are, which are, which are very well balanced, right?
Julius
Yeah, that's an assessment to do of when you are buying an investment property, right? Because when you look for investment property, we look for, okay, wherever the employment concentration is not towards a single employment, wherever the demand and supply is lot of gap, wherever there is a good economical indicators plus good affordability, if you do that research properly, then yes, there are locations across country, not only in Perth where, okay, yes, there is a risk of property to be market to be stagnant, or it goes down because of the employment issues and all, but they're still like bigger significant urban areas like Bunbury, for an example,
Parag Dixit
yeah, yeah, good
Julius
employment opportunities, good coastal town. And that it's diversified.
Parag Dixit
It's diversified as well. That's correct. So that's, that's good. So we, we've gone through so many of these factors which, which are going to contribute to to the whole of WA market. Let's get down to what we are here for 2626 now, what do you think is going to be a for? Let's say it starts with Perth. What is going to be purchase outlook for Perth? What of how do you feel what's going to happen this year? Inventory, property price, capital growth, what over cash flow? What do you think
Julius
26 would be amongst the most, strongest national in terms of the capital city? Supply is still low. Inventory is going to be remained below three months for entire year. As per my analysis, the stock and market won't increase below 3% and vacancies are going to be still very, very low, because rental turnovers are higher. Population growth is high. When you look at the rentals, rentals are still rising. So we expecting around six to 7% rental rise.
Parag Dixit
Okay,
Julius
so if you compile that number within that entire 2626 outlook, then there'll be at least eight to 15% price growth in depends on which LG you pick up,
Parag Dixit
yeah, the lot
Julius
of opportunities towards the inner CVD of birth, where the property prices are still below 750 1000, and then rentals are still 5% still so it depends on where you pick up, if you try, if you pick up a good LG. Is, then capital growth would be very close to 14, 15%
Parag Dixit
also,
Julius
if you pick up the LGA, which is already expensive, or it's literally like if you go towards far out of Perth, towards the Perth, like Cooley, for an example, the property prices were around 500,001 and a half years ago. Now they're touching around 900 they are the areas where I can avoid. But yes, but structurally, when you look at the entire Perth as a state or wa as a state of Perth as a capital city, then 2026 capital growth outlook will be extremely stronger.
Parag Dixit
Yeah. Capital Growth eight to 15% depending on the state cash flow, you're looking at one of the best cash flows. Units are pretty much cash flow positive or neutral at best. You know, houses are only slightly negative, but Perth is going to be still going to remain as an outlier, no supply relief, which is going to come in 2000
Julius
not
Parag Dixit
at all, not at all. So why not? Why will it not be a darling for investors or even for owner occupiers out there is the question,
Mudit
absolutely, absolutely Perth is still there where Brisbane was three years ago, right? So we, we will see, continue to see the growth. But of course, the kind of growth it has seen in the last few years, that was like very, fast, so the growth will probably moderate. It will not be at the same pace, but because of the demand and because of the supply constraints, it will continue to remain, especially because of the close to cash flow, good cash flow, not, not highly negative, and the expected capital growth, it will still remain very
Parag Dixit
strong. Yeah. So if you look at the other side, okay, see, I this is my personal feeling, okay, I think regional WA has has got overlooked in the whole last three, four years, because, because of the fact that it's just got hidden behind Perth, and people just didn't think of anything behind beyond Perth in terms of investment, and it Just though we did have a good 16, 17% house growth, we did have good, good, good, phenomenal yields. Which have happened there? Five, five and a half odd percent. Phenomenal stuff out there. It is, it is. It has great resources, employment, mining, tourism, all that story, which is there, what? What do you think this is the year for regional WA to come up, of
Julius
course, yes, because property prices are still below $600,000 in multiple councils, multiple councils. And then when you go towards the biggest significant urban areas, like when you go towards the Bunbury, Austria land Albany, where the economy is pretty diversified, supply is pretty low, and then yields are much stronger than Metro
Parag Dixit
w
Julius
plus, when you look at the investors now, because of this interest rate, there is a lot of pressure towards the affordable properties. Yeah, you can either get affordable property which is with the low yield, or you can get an affordable property which is going towards the extremely regional area. These are the places so you have a good population growth, these are the places where you have a good economical indicators.
Parag Dixit
They are
Julius
the places where you have a good capital growth, prospective, plus good rental yield, plus good houses, plus
Parag Dixit
good houses, the
Julius
quality of the houses are extremely good,
Parag Dixit
yeah, absolutely right. And good houses, good quality houses, good areas you have cash flow, which is mostly neutral or positive? In fact, positive is leaning more towards positive. You getting good 10 15% growth still baked in in 2026 in houses. You still finding that apartments, though they've not performed as well as houses in the last year, but you still look like that. The units market, townhouses specifically, are going to remain pretty strong. We're looking at 15, 20% yields, which may returns, which may come up in the in the units, which is specifically the townhouses segment, and which is going to be not speculative, right, structural in nature,
Mudit
absolutely, absolutely. I was, I was coming to that, that when we talk about this growth, sometimes it's about, is it speculative, right? Rightly said. So we talk about Northern Territory sometimes, and we are like, okay, it's, it's more driven by investors. There's the natural growth. Is still a question mark there. But Perth structural, the shortage supply, I think we can't emphasize that point more. We've spoken so much about it, and the continuous flow of demand that continues to be a key driver, yeah, for the regional as well. For
Parag Dixit
the Regional as well, correct? And that's, I think this is, this will be an year where suddenly people will start exploring, not suddenly they have been, but they will start exploring more and more of regional WA, for, for and consider that for person, for their purchases, and specifically the whole Bunbury, Geraldton and all these areas are going to remain, come back into focus, or become more in focus, for people who have been thinking of investing out there, right? Okay, so now if we look at purchases, what do you versus the purchase? What do you think is the rental outlook in Perth? Perth plus city per se
Julius
rental will be extremely stronger because. Hours of the fact that vacancies are still below 1% and they're going to remain so I couldn't see more houses are coming up in market by this
Mudit
year.
Julius
And then we could see these good amount of population
Parag Dixit
growth.
Julius
Plus lot of people have converted from investors, I'm sorry, the renters towards the owner occupiers. When you look at the owner occupier ratio, the entire path in most of the suburbs, it's increasing. That means you have very limited properties available for the rentals as well. Yeah, so there'll be enough rental demand. Renting affordability is still below 30% of the income. Yeah. That means, that means there is still room to grow the rental yields. If there is a more rental demand, higher rental turnovers, and then yields are increasing. That means it's good income for the investors. So they will be good investors. Demand create it. So rental is going to be very tight, and it will remain so for another years.
Mudit
Yeah,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right. Very, very tight. There's nothing good is going to change. You know, 2026 doesn't look like anything is going to change. Demand side is going to be continuing to be very high, we going to be under supply. Is going to be there we are. I think this is the first time in this year where we may see that the positive cash flow in in the units market is going to come down to neutral or something. But that's the best case scenario. Their houses are. If the interest rates keep on going up, houses may become slightly negative in cash flow, otherwise there is going to be no other impact. So in terms of combination, if we talk of what we spoke about for 26 for Perth, specifically in terms of the property growth, in terms of the capital growth is going to happen there, and the rental growth, which is going to be there, a phenomenal proposition, again, for this year. Pretty tempting for an investor to look at how it is going to be happening there, but rental yields definitely look at at least six to 8% rental growth coming in across houses and across units, market in the Perth city, right? Wa, regional. WA, I think that is the the it's going to be a tiling for the rents, which is going to happen there phenomenal Cash Generation proposition out there, positive up returns, which is going to come there. This is the real driver, which is the resources sector is really, really driving that market substantially higher, and it is not going to change anywhere in 26 maybe I can even say even in 27 there is no way it is going to change, because this, there is no supply build up even happening right now, right what do you think in terms of the rental outlook out there?
Julius
Rental outlook for the regional WA is going to be strong because there is higher demand in the resource sector. Yeah, it depends on what kind, which, which LGA is of the regional NSW, sorry, regional WA we are targeting towards. But still, if you look at the rental outlook, rental growth had been around 10% and this year we expecting around eight to 10% of the rental increase.
Julius
Last year we had increased. It's around the median rental was around 450 to 500 now that 10% increment on 500 on 500 per week onwards. That means that's a good demand into dollar value,
Parag Dixit
yeah, absolutely
Julius
plus it's affordable segment, so rental is going to be strong, and then we're going to witness a good rental rises,
Parag Dixit
yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely right. And if that demand holds up, we are talking of a good 10 to 15 to 20% in some areas, rise in the rental demand, which is huge rental yields, which is huge jump over that. So like you rightly said, if it's if it's a 500 per week rent, which you're getting right now, you may be looking at close to 550, 600 per week rental.
Mudit
And if that happens, then it more than negates the interest rate increase
Parag Dixit
more
Mudit
than if you
Mudit
are if your interest rates are expected to increase by 50 basis points correct, then the rental rise will more than negate it. So it is, it still continues to kind of create that balance of the cash flow which is, which is more and more important for a lot of cash sensitive investors who are getting pushed to their Brink in other states.
Parag Dixit
Absolutely right. And and the good part about this is, if this rises, it's not that it's not sustainable the economics of the people, the employment which is happening there, all that is that is able to sustain it, the mining sector, the construction segment, all of this segment is able to sustain this rent rise because they have the incomes to support it. It's not that they are being outpaced from the market. The local population definitely is. The local population is getting impacted, but overall the economy will not have too much of a hiccups in terms of affording that rise, and which is why that rise is coming into play in the regional WA market for the rental yields, right?
Julius
Yeah, yeah. And then, and the good thing is sustainable. Of the rental yield also,
Parag Dixit
yeah,
Julius
they're going to be sustained there for longer time.
Parag Dixit
They're going to be sustained for a longer period of time. And the, that's the, that's a good, I think WA has such a, such a nice, whole, rounded comp. Position of everything rising, property rising, the capital growth happening, the rents rising, and affordability as well. For people, they're still able to pay that they're just able to buy, they're still able to afford the rent. So it's working out well in favor of owner occupiers, investors still going to be better off in the next year, even if the inflation comes up, even if there is a higher interest rate regime, it still looks like it's going to be a much positive scenario out there. Right?
Julius
Yes, correct. So if I look at the entire outlook for Perth at this stage, the few points like median prices have gone up up to $980,000 but that is median in terms of multiple LGs, but there are still lot of ages or suburbs specifically are below or $800,000 where you can pick up a quality asset with around 5% yield. Second biggest outcome outlook for the Perth is basically the owner occupier ratio, because the market where the renters more than 40% for me, I think they are like going towards the little wristcare side, where the WA is the entire renter ratio is below 35% so that's a positive outlook, because there is a massive owner occupied demand. Number three is basically, we are still into the structural, undersupplied areas where there is not much supply coming up inventory historically low. Affordability wise, there is a good buying and renting affordability. So basically, there is still scope to grow in terms of the capital value as well as the rental and plus, the entire employment generation is diversified. So good employment opportunities, diversified employment structural under supply issues, which is not going to be resolved by that soon, plus good population growth, and then good quality houses.
Parag Dixit
Yeah,
Julius
we'll have a good outlook in next two to three years.
Parag Dixit
Phenomenal, phenomenal. A quick summary, right? So quick, quick summary. Madi, what do you maybe in a few words, what would you summarize the whole Perth market. Now, as you
Mudit
know, I think Judith covered it pretty nicely. So expected capital growth of eight to 10% the rental growth continuing. It has grown by 10% and it will continue to grow. That is what is expected. The demand continues to drive the net migration happening there, and the supply constraint, I think these, these are factors which are going to continue in this coming year, 2026 so
Parag Dixit
you look to invest out there. It
Mudit
is still one of the best investment places out
Parag Dixit
Yeah, it's still one of the best places to consider to invest out there in in Perth market, and what? What do you think? What do you think would happen there?
Julius
The reason the brew is extremely good in the affordable segment. So
Parag Dixit
I know
Julius
if, if my budget is brown in between 500 to $700,000 the biggest question is where to invest, right? Yeah, and where I can get a good returns on my investment? Yeah, that's answer. So like you have a extremely low supply with good cash flow, yeah. So property will have, will witness a good capital growth. There are good employment opportunities as well as there are few which are single employment generation as
Mudit
well.
Julius
So if you do your research well, and then if you want it to be in that segment where your capital growth will be moderate as well as decent rental yield, this interest rate, then yes, capital growth expectations will be in between 10 to 15% Yeah, with the decent rental price,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right. So regional WA, I It's such a nicely placed area. And if you are able to choose the areas like banneries and geraldton's of the world. And if you're able to choose them wisely, if you're able to get your get your research right, those are phenomenal areas to invest. Considering that you're looking at more than 10% 15% rental rises out there. You're looking at a good paid 10% 15% capital growth out there, you still find that there is a strong structural demand. There is find, still find that there's strong employment demand out there. I think it's very tempting, right? While we were talking and why we are listening to each other, it's so very tempting to think, Okay, why? If I'm looking to invest and if this is my price point, why should I consider some other area? It's going to be a, it's going to be a it's going to pose questions to a lot of investors, why should I avoid this area? Why will I avoid these areas to invest in? Right?
Mudit
Absolutely, there's just one risk which remains. There is, of course, on the on the commodities and the ores front, that risk remains as a state.
Mudit
when we look at overall, all of the factors combined, including the demand and supply and migration and employment and the supply shortage, all that is positive. So, yeah, absolutely,
Parag Dixit
absolutely right. I think, I think for for for us in whether you consider Perth, whether you consider the regional WA market, both in terms of purchase outlook, both. In terms and in terms of rental outlook, very strong proposition going to be continuing in the year 2026 and driven not by one part. It's driven by all around activity which is happening there, in terms of economy, in terms of social outlook, in terms of migration, in terms of population rise, in terms of more and more input coming from the government out there. So it's a strong bit which is going to be available to people. And I think it's going to be a super time for No, no,
Mudit
absolutely, just just, I think last one point that a few years ago, three years ago, four years ago, you could have picked any property, for example, in Perth or a lot of regional areas, and it would have grown phenomenally. I think that time is over.
Parag Dixit
Yeah, it
Mudit
has to be more cautious, a more research based approach, where not every property is or every suburb will continue to grow the way it has gone. There's there'll be some moderation there, but it has to be more thought through on the basis of the data provided from that specific suburb and the population around it. That's the only caveat that she is,
Parag Dixit
right. Yeah, nice, right, definitely. No, that's that's a good point. It's not. Let me pick whichever one it is. There was a time, there
Mudit
was a time,
Parag Dixit
good old days, but we didn't know in those days now that you could have done it. There was him. You would have known that. Oh yes, but All right, guys, no. Thank you so much. It was a phenomenal talk. WA brings more temptations to everyone in the other states, but good talk. Good talk, gentlemen, and let's connect once again on the next state of investment.
Mudit
Absolutely. Have a chat. Thanks. Thanks,
Mudit
Parag,
Parag Dixit
thank you.

